Critical Race Theory - Much Ado About Nothing?

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    How many wars will be fought in the name of peace?
    Its not only what CRT is, but how its being used by all sides.
    It undeniably a carrier or a vehicle to sow a division in our day, to manipulate the minds to vote Democrat.
    And political carrier to opponents who do everything to stop it destructive effects.
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Democrats are in the state of reaping the fruits of CRT that started decades back and progressed since then.
     
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    That's completely illogical. Something that almost no one had ever heard of and never talked about? You have never explained how any Democrat benefit has been obtained. You keep repeating that nonsense. But repeating it does not make it true. You have failed miserably in backing up any of these silly claims of yours with any reliable source. For example you have repeatedly lied that CRT is taught in K-12. I've produced a Very High accuracy reliable source and multiple High accuracy reliable sources that say it is not true. You have failed miserably to produce one good source supporting your outlandish claims! About all you could find was an opinion piece on a mediocre accuracy website. Your eventual comeback after apparently searching for such a source and failing was to say my High accuracy reliable sources had to be verified. Apparently what that means is that it simply fails your confirmation bias type smell test. What you don't want to believe must not be true. What you want to believe must be true. Sorry, but that is not a convincing argument.
     
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I didn't direct that comment to anyone personally.
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Considering that I've been posting on this board from its inception, I'm not sure how "still" applies.
    You don't mind if I ignore an unsupported claim from an anonymous poster with no discernable standing in this field, do you? I hope that's okay.
    Very nice. Thanks!
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I don't agree with your assertion and doubt seriously you can prove it, but are you saying that it is a bad thing?
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The only people "using" CRT are the Republicans. If you have sources that quote Democrats speaking about it unilaterally prior to 2021, I'd love to see them.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Speaking? Its beyond speaking, Dem's are reaping the fruits of the implemented CRT.
    As I mentioned in previous responses, hate toward the buggy-man and the division generating votes for the Dem's making conservatives in to evil buggyman.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I didn't think so.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    That makes no sense. It was a little known theory. Taught in probably one college level course. There was no widespread impact that anyone could be reaping. CRT does not teach that conservatives are evil. You falsely claimed you knew what CRT meant? Then plagiarized an explanation as to what CRT was. Post any links supporting your wild assertions. You have not because you can't. You can't because it is all made up nonsense. Made up by Republicans recently to further their own agenda. Why hasn't this been brought up years ago if it has been going on for years like you falsely claim? Your story makes no sense. You have backed up absolutely nothing that you have claimed, at least not that I can recall.
     
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I found citations for CRT as early as 1965. A recent Google Scholar search reveals millions of hits. And Republicans are just now picking up on it? How slow are they?
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    From: Critical Race Theory for HCI by Ogbonnaya-Ogburu, et al, CHI 2020, April 25–30, 2020, Paper 265.

    Key Tenets of Critical Race Theory Responding to race-based material disparities that persisted in the United States even after 1960s Civil Rights legislation, legal scholars and activists in the 1970s developed critical race theory as a framework to challenge the deep-rooted philosophical, legal, systemic, and practical causes of racism [34, 41]. As the name implies, critical race theory has intellectual roots in critical theory, which examines the role of power, history, culture, and ideology on social phenomena, often with an eye to critiquing or correcting abuses of power [72]. But, critical race theory’s laser-focus on matters of race has led it to develop its own language and concepts. While critical race theorists do not subscribe to a unified set of principles, several key tenets are prominent in their writings:

    • Racism is ordinary, not aberrational [34, 117]. Those who rarely encounter racism themselves often think of racism as an occasional happening – that a minority of individuals are racist, and racist events are one-off occurrences. But, racism is pervasive, ever-present, structural, and systemic. Those who experience it do so on a regular basis in a variety of forms with a range of severity. Racism is often embedded in institutions and practices. Those who propagate it often do so unknowingly and without conscious negative intent. (My emphasis) To productively discuss racism, its hidden ubiquity must be exposed and acknowledged.

    • Race and racism are socially constructed [34]. Race does not represent biological or genetic truths. Instead, racial categories and societal behavior with respect to them are entirely human-made. (This is not to say that physical characteristics have no genetic basis, but that the categories used to differentiate and divide groups of people are artificial. History shows that racial categories are fluid [16]).

    • Identity is intersectional [30]. Each person represents a unique and even potentially conflicting set of overlapping identities. In order to discuss and dismantle racism, we must be anti-essentialist and incorporate an understanding that these intersecting identities create unique contexts.

    • Those with power rarely concede it without interest convergence [9, 8]. Racism benefits some groups, and those groups are reluctant to move against it. They will take or allow anti-racist actions most often when it also confers them benefits. In the U.S. context, forward movement for civil rights has typically only occurred when it is materially in the interest of the White majority.

    Liberalism itself can hinder anti-racist progress [34]. Liberalism’s very aspirations to color-blindness and equality – while admirable – can impede its goals, as they prohibit race-conscious attempts to right historical wrongs. In addition, liberalism’s tendency to focus on high-minded abstractions can lead to neglect of discrimination in practice. (My emphasis)

    • There is a uniqueness to the voice of color [33], and storytelling is a means for it to be heard [112]. Belonging to a racial minority or an oppressed racial group endows one with a unique perspective, especially with regard to race and racism. Counterstories can challenge and displace dominant narratives, which are broadly held, consciously or unconsciously.

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    Sorry, Lerner, but I'm just not seeing it. If anything, it's liberals who come under criticism regarding the phenomena being considering in CRT.

    Oh, and I just grabbed the first citation that appeared when I searched CRT in the year 2020.
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Another source that debunks Lerner's lies about CRT. Yet, he continues making the same false statements. He has provided no good sources supporting his false claims. He linked one OPINION piece published on a Mixed accuracy media source. Mixed accuracy is the same poor accuracy as Fox News (and CNN and MSNBC) but it's the best most accurate media that Lerner will watch apparently because he must be fed these kind lies to satisfy himself. Or something, Lerner, I really would be interested in why you feel compelled to get your news from places like social media, Fox, Newsmax, OAN?

    I used to read Wall Street Journal. It is right biased. I used to enjoy reading it. Maybe it has declined some since then. I don't know but today it is rated Mostly Factual. That would be a huge upgrade for you, though. Steve doesn't like Mostly Factual as much as me. I appreciate that. Mediabiasfactcheck.com says that you have to be careful on any article about climate change for example on WSJ. Of course, High accuracy is much better. CBS, NBC and ABC are High accuracy and free but not with a right bias. I assume that you really want a right bias though. You should find a High accuracy right biased media source ideally but but Mixed and below accuracy are really bad as your only source for news. It has made you believe false information.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, Here's a list of right center biased High accuracy news sources.
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/filtered-search/?bias=Right-Center
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Indeed the seeds were planted log time ago and in my opinion at the time justly so.
    It was named differently then and was more of a civil rights legal issues.
    Republicans and Democrats mostly are anti racist, but politicians on both sides use the issue to advance their agendas even if the subject was deemed passive in some stages.

    Gentleman - what do you have to say to this:

    I have many friends of Hispanic descent, and a cousin married to a wonderful man who is of Hispanic/ Mexican descent, Mexican American.
    The man is from the sate of California.
    HE tells me
    For my extended family of Mexicans, the immigration is the chance for a kind of reconquest to take Mexican lands back.
    Not in a armed forces physical reconquest of the lands that once were ours.
    Nor the feeble amount of $15 million that the American government paid, in payments for the stolen land.
    I one of our so called friendly debates he suggested to me that I should study the history of the conquest of Mexico and that the best and most just reparation would be American immigration reform that could open the road to citizenship for the descendants of those Mexicans who suffered the unjust loss of half their territory.
    I was surprised at the time but he meant it seriously.
    He stated that Mexico was forced to accept the American annexation of Texas and concede more than half the rest of Mexican territory,
    including major parts of states of California, Arizona and New Mexico.
    He and number of my friends with some what similar views argue that these areas should be allowed to be settled by Mexican immigrants.

    CRT connection:
    The many indigenous communities that suffered from wars on our continent are interested in the US education system and other apparatuses to teach of their past sufferings
    and be justified by the asylum claims.
    Since many of you live on the former lands of Mexico this should be of interest to you. ( AZ, CA)
    That portion of the US past in addition to the slavery is still hunting us and now what we seen in riots post Floyd non whites say retributions, not all voices are friendly.
    In 21th sentry when major achievements on the racial injustice front were achieved, the promotion of CRT seems more ungenerous and divisive then before.

    Is this good or bad for the country its the question?
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I read it for many years. It was always pro-business, but it didn't develop a serious case of the right-slants until Murdoch bought it. It's news seems largely the same, but the opinion section is over the cliff.
     
  17. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I have no interest in parsing anecdotes posted anonymously. Thanks, but I'll pass.
     
  18. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Really? You think this is anecdotes only?

    Anti-Americanism has always been a powerful undercurrent in Mexican society.
    And in their view Bill, Rich and Nosborn etc, they want their lands back.
    Not so far ago Cuauhtémoc Cárdenas, a former presidential candidate, was leading the charge.
    He has been calling for the Mexican government to bring a lawsuit against the United States in the International Court of Justice, for reparations and indemnification.

    The CRT is laying the ground work for divisiveness and should be stopped.
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    That has zero relevance to anything we were talking about, at least
    Lerner, check out the Wall Street Journal. Sounds good for you!

    https://store.wsj.com/shop/us/us/wsjuslds22/?inttrackingCode=aaqxgxmp&icid=WSJ_ON_PHP_ACQ_NA&n2IKsaD9=n2IKsaD9&Pg9aWOPT=Pg9aWOPT&Cp5dKJWb=Cp5dKJWb&APCc9OU1=APCc9OU1
     
  20. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No. Some of it is conjecture, opinion, and supposition. But mostly, regarding CRT, it's nonsense.
     

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