Controversial new state law in TX

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/16/us/texas-southlake-school-holocaust/index.html

    Texas school administrator told teachers to include Holocaust books with 'opposing' views when explaining new state law.
    Critics argue that the law is not only confusing to teachers, but impacts teachers' abilities to responsibly educate American children about historic events.

    "It was the antisemitic, systematic murder of 6 million Jews and there is no legitimate 'opposing' perspective to that," said Joel Schwitzer, regional director of the American Jewish Committee, Dallas.
     
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  2. SpoonyNix

    SpoonyNix Active Member

    haha, I would LOVE to see a CNN-produced history textbook. Just imagine.
     
  3. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    OK, but what are the opposing views we're talking about? They don't necessarily have to be wrong or offensive. And even if they are wrong or offensive, that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't worth learning about.

    I see value in, for example, students learning about creationism, alien abductions and flat earth theory in schools as an intellectual exercise in critical thinking. The catch is, however, that specifically pointing out how something is not true is likely to cause at least some people to start believing in it :emoji_face_palm:
     
  4. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Active Member

    I don't think elementary school kids or even junior high kids should learn about things like alien abductions, how people say the Holocaust never happened, and that slavery was a good thing. Their brains aren't developed enough to fully separate supposed truth from actual truth.
     
  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Holocaust Denial is an actual crime in some European countries. Look, folks. Over the years I've met a few survivors and seen the tattooed numbers on their forearms. Most are dead now. There is absolutely ZERO evidence to support any claim that the Germans didn't murder millions of Jews (and other groups) in a calculated, methodical fashion. But it should be noted that such widespread murder by governments was a sickening feature of the 20th century. Mao killed something like 20 million. Stalin killed several million. More recently we've seen the horrors in Rwanda, Xinjian, Myanmar, and Syria. Closer to home, I personally heard the late Elie Wiesel himself compare the U.S. treatment of Native communities with the horrors he suffered as an Hungarian Jew in 1944. Holocaust Denial is an abominable act but no one can afford to feel smugly superior. There's a LOT of denial going on.

    Shoot! I nearly finished this post without even mentioning black slavery and Jim Crow in THIS country. The lynchings were still happening in my youth.
     
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  6. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

  7. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    This is the consequence of CRT paranoia.
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I'm more interested in the content.
     
  11. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Active Member

    A lot of people are interested in the content of the Transformers cartoons. That doesn't make them real.
     
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  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The Republican party has demonstrated this strange addiction to their love in believing false information for the past 5 years now.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill to many teachers in my family.
    I also have African immigrant friends and Asian American friends from multiple countries and they are doing better in one generation then native population?
    Employment % are among highest.
    You state that the person on the Tweeter is providing false information?
    Then prove him wrong.
    Instead of immediately shoot the messenger who can't even respond to you.
    But maybe he will respond.
     
  14. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Well-Known Member

    Do you get to choose real vacations when adulting without little kids?!
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Whenever someone says "a lot of people," there doesn't seem to be any of those people around.
     
  16. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Active Member

    You can't prove a negative. As a holder of a degree, this is something you should know. But he has not proved that what he is saying is in any way the truth. It may be the truth for ONE SCHOOL. It may be the truth for NO SCHOOLS. We do not know. We cannot know. He provides NO PROOF AT ALL BESIDES AN ANECDOTE. As the cliche says, the plural of anecdote is not data.
     
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  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I have completely missed what relevance that word salad has to do with anything we were talking about?

    That is not how it works. This was statements that you presented from an unknown unsourced unverified sea of misinformation. It makes just about as much sense as citing a statement written on the wall of a public restroom and claiming the onus is on us to prove it false. Trying to put the onus on us to disprove the nonsense makes no sense what so ever. That is not how the news works. No wonder you believe false information so readily. The way the news should work is that one should only consume news from reliable sources.
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Very true, although I would like to amusingly note that calling it an anecdote might be raising it to a higher level than the statement deserves. :p
     
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  19. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

  20. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Active Member

    I suppose it could be taken to mean that I think the statement is real. But I was using the definition of "an account regarded as being unreliable or hearsay". If there is a better word than anecdote (besides simply "lie"), one doesn't immediately come to mind.
     
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