Competence

What data?

Troll!

Lying troll!

 

As I have said before, there is a group of persons on here that obviously have issues with PLA degrees. They are running to hide behind the request for data to prove the usefulness.

1. If you do your own research on education the UK and france you would see that their are huge interest in these methods.

2. In the US, the main concerns for this are cost and general support. Doing the Maths, it would cost over $10,000.00 to get a degree this way from TESC in particular. The other issue is its done by subject meaning its basically a deterent.

3. In respect to the VAE especially in France, its revolutionary in sense that the Government says that schools need to assessment any person that request this procedure. I think this where the problem is in the US. Because schools dictate the process, then the adult is left with Distance learning or going to the class room to repeat already learnt stuff.


You keep asking about data, to me its an excuse to not pursue this approach. The only school today that seem offer real flexibility here is WGU not the big 3.

Anyway, here is a good link on the VAE process..

http://www.transfine.net/Results/Brno/7FranceSummary.doc

 

I don't have a problem giving credit for prior learning determined to be relevant and at a collegiate level.

But I do have a problem with the b***s**t fake diploma mills selling diplomas under the guise of awarding degrees for prior experience.

Legitimate schools, on occasion, consider awarding doctorates based upon previously published works. But that isn't an excuse for Knightsbridge University selling a Ph.D. to some guy who wrote a book about ducks (and used it to purchase a previous Ph.D. from a different diploma mill). But they did.

Legitimate schools, on occasion, award credits for learning done prior to entry into their degree programs. But that isn't an excuse for diploma mills to sell degrees to people because they've held a job for a while. But they do.

Readers, don't mix the award of a degree with the degree awarding school. A diploma mill claiming to use "PLA" or other forms of awarding credit that might also be used by legitimate schools are still diploma mills.

 

Hi Rich:


I do 100% agree with you about diploma mills. Thats exactly why I bring the point of a more formal process to eliminate them.

I really do not think that diploma mills can thrive in France after the VAE had been introduce especially at such low cost.

 

What would the introduction of the VAE have to do with it? This implies that people turn to diploma mills because legitimate schools won't give them credit for prior learning. I doubt that.

There will always be a market for selling fake credentials to people who do not earn them. That market will thrive until the demand (by employers) ceases.

 

Well, the fact that people can choose to blow themselves up tells of real evil. The same apply to someone that can get a degree for $800 for a real school but decides to go with the obvious mill.

It issue comes back to information. In a lot of cases the owners of the diploma mills does try to fool the public. Like using the word accredited loosely.

My main thing was to assume people really wanted to develop themselves and get recognition for accomplishments that recognized.

Would you prefer Harvard to give you a PLA/VAE degree or some unknown outfit?

 

Morleyl

Why does all experience have to be credentialized anyway? Experience is also noted on one's resume. Isn't that enough? What you propose sounds like intern experience documentation when one is in a licensed profession. In what you propose who would sign off said experience? A supervisor? Are they qualified to determine if degree should be awarded for all efforts at work? What if supervisor writes half baked report as favor? What if person has 20 years experience as a self employed business person? How do you verify that at work all things were done that are included in MBA.?

 

You are right that experience in itself does not have to be credentialized. I think a lot of it is the stigma of needing a degree regardless of how good you are with experience.

I think the less qualified persons would gravitate towards the diploma mills. Someone with good experience and recognition would be very careful to use such option.

Learning the truth about VAE, it seem fairly good actually. Because a real jury has professionals of different types to ensure balance in reviewing a persons background..

Please bear in mind that the VAE does not mean everyone that applies get a degree or diploma right there and then. It could be partial credit with the option to get the remainder and come back within five years..

For example for engineering, pesons may know a lot of stuff but lack the quantitative skills that you learn in school. They could be required to complete a course or two then come back..


The question I was trying to ask is. Whats wrong with granting degrees based on documented accomplishments? As oppose to course by course evaluations