Columbia State University "even more acceptable"

In the thread on Kennedy-Western University, Rich Douglas wrote:

> In a recent survey of employers I conducted, I found that
> degrees from K-WU were as acceptable to employers as
> degrees from Capella, Heriot-Watt, and Western States
> Universities, all of which are properly accredited/recognized.
> Unfortunately, degrees from our favorite degree mill, Columbia
> State University, were even more acceptable!

Even more acceptable? Wow! Too bad it was shut down in 1998:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA010516Diploma_mills2.htm

Do you think I could get a Columbia State University diploma from closedcollege.com?

 

Yes, Columbia State was closed. But it sold thousands of degrees, many of which are still in use.

My comment was about employers' perceptions of degrees based upon which school issues them, and which type of recognition the institution has. That degrees from a notorious--and closed--diploma mill would draw such positive reactions is telling.

 

Hey wow.....that's good news. I will do the same and order a Columbia State University doctorate. Then I can approach fine schools like to SRU and Almeda for a position as a professor!

Mark, why didn't you think of posting this sooner. Now I can drop out of school and pretend that I'm educated.

 

So what are we really saying here?

That employers don't distinguish between schools that they have never heard of?

On one level that's probably obvious and trivial. If employers have never heard of the schools in question, how could they distinguish between them?

But does this imply that if an employer was really seriously considering a job candidate, that the employer wouldn't bother to verify the legitimacy of the candidate's educational credentials?

I can see a number of possibilities, ranging from cases where the degree is irrelevant to the job in question, through cases where possession of a degree is a formal generic requirement, to cases where advanced education is absolutely critical in hiring.

I think that if the degree is irrelevant, it might just be accepted with a shrug no matter where it came from. But if it's critical, then it will probably be looked at closely.

 

It's disturbing at best

Which is why it upsets me to read threads such as the current one on KW.

We DL students already have certain disadvantages built into our degrees (ie. old fashioned views of DL), without having to compete with students from substandard programs passing themselves off as college graduates.

 

bad link

Sorry, the link I posted seems not to work. Try Google's cache:
http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:RW1kp8ZbXMUC:abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA010516Diploma_mills2.html

 

A few comments:

1. If you want to obtain a degree from an unaccredited college, at least make sure that the college is state-licensed.

2. In addition to obtaining an unaccredited degree, you also need at least one RA degree (at a minimum of a bachelor's degree.)

3. Earn continuing education credits from a solid organization.

4. Become certified in your profession.

5. Remember that some people received their unaccredited, state-licensed degrees prior to the advent of the Internet. At that time, many RA colleges did not offer DL courses or degrees.

Bottom line: RA all the way!!!! Yeah!!!

 

Yes, it is confusing.

Many make mistakes such as Pen State or U of P, Cal State or UC,
Colorado Univ or Colorado State University etc.

I did experiment long time ego when Col State was still around I talked with admissions counselors at National University and Cal State Long Beach and they had no problem to accept Columbia's
State Degree in to Graduate school.

Columbia State University sounds very legit.

Didn't Steve Levicov invented some State University as a joke and many were fooled in a ADE news group.

Is there Texas State University?

Mikhail

 

Moses on the Ark

Two factors that I think may have biased the result of Rich's survey:

1) The "Moses on the Ark" phenonemon. If you ask "How many of each kind of animal did Moses take on the Ark?", most people will answer without noticing that you said "Moses" and not "Noah". This is because a) the question stresses the number of animals, not the partiarch, and b) Moses has enough of the characteristics of Noah to slip by. ("How many of each kind of animal did Nixon take on the Ark?" wouldn't fool anyone.)

Likewise, the question about "Columbia State University" was probably posed with the stress on "Columbia", and it sounded similar enough to "Columbia University" to slip by.

2) Embarrassment. A hiring manager might be embarrassed (perhaps subconsciously embarrassed) to admit to a stranger on the telephone that he's not sure of the name of so important an institution as Columbia University. If the same hiring manager were alone in his office, checking out a candidate's credentials, this would not apply.

 

Find a certificate program and print one. It's not as if Columbia State is going to sue you.

Another item.

Could a person claim a degree from a long closed college without being caught? The degree and student copy of the transcript would not be verifiable, or would it?

 

Dennis Ruhl wrote:

> Could a person claim a degree from a long closed college
> without being caught? The degree and student copy of the
> transcript would not be verifiable, or would it?

As I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, there is a forgery "service", http://www.closedcollege.com, that caters to people who think like you.

But if you want to know the truth, see What Happens to Student Records When a College Closes?

 

As a member of Rich's committee, I would not have approved a survey done by phone or in person, in part for the reasons Mark mentions. The 300+ HR people who completed it did it entirely on line (in writing, of course). And, to anticipate the next question, they were not able to go back and change answers as more knowledge was conveyed during the course of the quite-long survey.

I like Moses and the ark; new to me.

What's a 4-letter word for a short humorous story?
What's a 5-letter word for being completely out of money?
"Things go better with" which soft drink?
What's another word for the white of an egg?

etc.

 

Here’s another interesting riddle that underscores the importance of asking the right question.

• 
  The Missing Dollar
  
  Three men go to a restaurant and split the cost of a meal costing $45. Each pay $15. After everything is said and done, the manager of the restaurant decides to give the men a discount and only charge them $40. The manager gives $5 to the waitress to return to the men. The waitress, realizing you can't split $5 evenly between three people gives each man back $1 and pockets the other $2.
  
  Reviewing the facts... each man received one dollar back from the original $15 originally spent. So now, each man paid $14 for the meal. $14 times three is $42—which is now what all three men paid combined. If the men now paid $42 total and the waitress pocketed $2, that's only $44 dollars.
  
  Where's the missing dollar?

 

Heh. Very good Gus. I had to think it through.

Then I realized that Enron took the other dollar.

 

Which raises the question of how many animals of each type Noah took on the ark? Two or seven? (But fortunately Bill Grover can't answer, because it would be a theological post. Heh.)

 

I imagine,the one dollar has been robbed by the invisible hands...

Don't be guided by the author's reasoing,think it over quickly by simplest logic or math

15*3=45 Initially forked over,but the boss returned five bucks

45-5(1+1+1+2)=40 NOW,if we evently split 40 to 3 parts,it came up with13.3333333......

It's correct,5 dollar was split in the fashion,1+1+1+2...this isn't the problem..it's what so called red herring in the States?

So three fella actually paid 13.333333333*3 equal to 43,then let's add up the two bucks pocketed by the cute waitress....no cent less or more,45 bucks

 

Re: Moses on the Ark

 

Rich: That's why I'm not going to publish the results here"

Cehi: Come on Rich, I think you will be okay. If you post your result and it is challenged, I think it would give credibility to your findings because it would ensure logical discussions regardless of who like the responses or not. I expect you to know that your result is only based on the answers to your research questions. So, if some in this forum disagree with your findings, that should not devalue your extensive efforts to complete your dissertation. Your result should not be an affirmation for a generic or universal fact, but rather, an affirmation of the specific fact from your questions.