Charisma University - TRACS Site Visit Scheduled

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Garp, Nov 1, 2022.

  1. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Charisma has a site visit for Candidacy scheduled for Jan 2023.

    I find their degrees a little overpriced for what they are but perhaps with the additional recognition of US based institutional accreditation (on top of recognized business accreditation) they will become an option for some people.

    I haven't actually seen graduates listing degrees from them but perhaps they don't have a lot of graduates yet.
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  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    They were founded in 2011. In 2013 they sued DI and some of us individually. I was never served - and neither was anyone else except Dr. Rich Douglas. He and his legal counsel went to Court, successfully defended against the claim, and were awarded costs against the Plaintiff. Rich has recounted those events here in the forum.

    The wiki says they have 8,000 undergrads at present and 2,000 post-grads - so I imagine their alumni base is significant. My guess is that TRACS will accredit them. I have no further interest in Charisma.
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  3. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Same. I've found that hypnosis influences people way better.
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  4. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    Guess degreeforum users claimed the usual back then, Charisma is illegitimate and similiar to a mill...which turned out to be wrong
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Ich nehme den Köder nicht, Johann.
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Charisma evolved, changed locations and accreditation.
    And as we see they are still evolving.
    Instead of using the criticism by DI as positive criticisms and improve they went to court and lost.
    Later they are implementing some of the recommendations after all.
    The more they do to earn recognised accreditations the better they will serve their students and graduates.
  7. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    There is something unsettling about discussing a school that has been suggested to threaten DI posters with lawsuits. Not very "Christian-like!" Am I missing something?
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  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It was hurting the business, they are not a charity but a business.
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  9. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    It is still unsettling!

    "Charisma University reaffirms that it does not discriminate on the basis of religion in admissions, contracting or employment. We do expect all those associated with the university to understand and respect our Christian heritage and ethos."
    Statement of Faith - Charisma University (

    I personally think they should post a letter of apology to DI posters on this forum and clarify that they support freedom of speech, and freedom of religion, and appreciate constructive dialogue about higher education issues.
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  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    "Poking the bear?" You're on your own. I'm out, on that one!
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  11. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    They didn't just threaten. They DID it.
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  12. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    Good point! I am out of here as well!
  13. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    All institutions including Charisma have to start from somewhere, it seems the owners 'were iffy' at best before their lawsuit, but now getting better through change/recommendations, and trying to obtain valid accreditation along the way to building/growing their institution. I think they're doing alright, previously; I recall they wanted to start a Carribean Medical school but that didn't materialize yet or may not as they don't have the demand or resources at this moment.
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  14. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    A university or any organization can have sketchy beginnings and turn legitimate or improve. TRACS, itself, is kind of sketchy, so I'm not sure that candidacy with them means much.
  15. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    I think it was the discussion about its accreditation and ACBSP's candidate not accredited at the time. If I remember correctly, the owner argued that DI members stated that the school is not ACBSP accredited. Which was the fact.
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I think it does. If TRACS accredits the school (and I can see that happening) the school will have Recognized US National Accreditation. I can't think of anything more significant than that.
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  17. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    You are correct. Not what was/is "Regional" but still recognized accreditation. People may not like their brand of fundamental type religion but it is what it is. I assume they will have to have some kind of residential program. Also, they got the business school accreditation so someone seems to know what they are doing. Started off a bit rough and improved I assume.

    I still think their degrees are over priced but that is up to the market.

    Is that ACQUIN (sp) equivalent of Regional Accreditation. How is that looked at?
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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    But USDoE keeps telling us there's NO difference ... it's ALL "National." :)
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I don't know anything other than what's here.

    They're legitimate, operate in several parts of the world and have made themselves some very valuable alliances. Never heard how US evaluators have treated any degrees from any ACQUIN-accredited schools. If anyone can tell us their experience, it would be good knowledge to have.
  20. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    The name was changed to Charisma University in 2011. The school was founded several years before that, in Victorville, California, as Victorville International University/American Centered University. Twin universities run by the Okpala twins. At the time, the schools were accredited by Maxine Asher's World Association of Universities and Colleges, and affiliates of Newport University in California and World Information Distributed University in Moscow. American Centered University eventually disappeared.
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