Certified MBA (no, not the qualification WGU had accepted) and EMBA

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  1. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Hello!



    There is a company that offers a “Certified MBA” course with the option to upgrade its to a “Executive MBA” from Shenzhen University. (I did not include the link as I am quite sure that I should not include it, but a simple web search will show which one I mean).

    The latter one is listed as “H+” in the German anabin data base, which means that it is a full accredited university in Germany.

    This sounds good.

    Too good to be true, I suppose. I am quite sure that there *is* a catch somewhere; and the feeling that there seems to be a catch is enough to scare me of this.

    However: Who can help me to find the catch in it?



    Best regards,

    Mac Juli
     
  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Is it the one where the "Chief Relationship Officer" looks like Paris Hilton?
     
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  3. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Hello!


    Well, there is some similarity... yes!


    Best regards,

    Mac Juli
     
  4. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Well, in that case, the catch is that it's not an accredited university.

    With so many choices available, why would you even consider a program that is even slightly questionable?
     
  5. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Hello!


    No, please don't get me wrong. Of course, you are right that this provider is not an accredited university by any means. But on the other hand, they offer an "upgrade" to an EMBA from an university that is, indeed, accredited and reputable!
    I do not consider it... I just wanted to know where the catch is in such a constellation; maybe out of morbid curiosity.


    Best regards,

    Mac Juli
     
  6. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  7. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    I am not exactly sure what makes you think I am an"newbie". Hovever, thank you for your point.
     
  8. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Would you prefer to be called a rank amateur? An idiot, imbecile, ignoramus? A nitwit, numbnut, numbskull, nincompoop? A pompous, presumptuous, piss-ant, patronizing putz? (I give great alliteration.)

    But seriously, Mac, you are a newbie - here on DegreeInfo. And while we welcome you, and hope you diversify in your posts, you currently have a whopping total of four posts and registered for the forum only today. That makes you a newbie. If you're sensitive to that fact, you will be a failure in life. And we will laugh at you.
     
  9. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Many thanks for your input, Mr. Levicoff.

    Of course I am a newbie here on degreeinfo. However, I am in the afromentioned "world of international distance learning" since 2009. I was in Open University (UK) and several online universities and course providers.

    So, I would consider myself neither a complete newbie (keep in mind I was quite sure that this institution was a fraud before I even went here) not a complete know-it all (I would not have asked if I would have known for *sure* where the catch is). I am quite sure I am neither an idiot nor an imbecile, too.

    However, I am eager to learn. Basically, my point is (still):

    How do get the operators of websites like these a reputabe university (like Shenzhen University, which I consider to be reuptable) to "validate" their coursework and to award degrees? Is Shenzhen University aware what they are doing? Do these people just pretent to be connected to this university? Do they take the money and just run, do they fake the university degree, if you can even say so, completely, does the university give their validation in good faith or is bribery involved...?

    How excatly do they run their business?

    I would appreciate any factual comment on this matter, whatever anyone thinks what my rank might be.
     
  10. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Active Member

    There are a number of scam operations that have a modus operandi that sound remarkably similar to what you're looking at. In fact, several advertise Shenzhen University as the degree granting institution. Shenzhen University is a large legitimate school, you're free to speculate on why it is being chosen for many of these outfits. Without further information, I would be inclined to believe that whatever "outfit" you're looking at well... please do your research. The thought of taking a short cut, often blinds people from performing proper due diligence.
     
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  11. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    That would be because 1) you just registered with us today and 2) you're asking newbie questions. In any case, I wouldn't actually believe any of it without first having the whole thing verified by Shenzen.
     
  12. JoshD

    JoshD Active Member

    There are a large amount of reputable and accredited MBA programs that can be completed 100% online for a very reasonable cost. I would highly recommend you do a little more research if you are serious about pursuing a graduate business degree to help ensure you select the program that best fits you. If you want a quality education that can be seen as reputable by potential employers then you cannot afford to take any sort of short cut.
     
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  13. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member


    You are right; there are many good MBA programs. I am already doing a good one - an online MBA in the EU, and I am ready except for the thesis. Believe it or not, I was being completely honest about NOT considering this program.
    As mentioned above, I asked out of (morbid?) curiosity about it. If this is considered "newbie" here, so be it. The advice from Kizmet to contact Shenzhen university, however, was a good one and I did so.

    Good luck with your studies!!
     
  14. JoshD

    JoshD Active Member

    Contacting the institution is always beneficial. Hopefully they were able to help assist you!

    Good luck in your MBA studies!
     
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  15. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    It raises red flags for savvy American students and educational enthusiasts when we see associations like this, but I'm beginning to feel like this negative perception is shared less internationally. In the past year counting today, I have now seen three instances (ICI and LCPS are the other two) of outfits we would deem questionable operating in one country while legitimately connected to a reputable University operating in another country. All three have been for MBAs which is interesting.
     
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  16. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member


    While I don't know much about ICI, I can say that LCPS - if the online London College of Professional Studies is meant - is legitimate. In the UK, it seems to be normal that universities "outsource" their complete teaching operations.
    If this is a good thing is, of course, a completely other story.
     
  17. JoshD

    JoshD Active Member

    Probably because nearly every single higher education institution that offers graduate degrees offers the MBA (over exaggerating probably).
     
  18. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Right. LCPS appears to be legitimately connected to the Universities they claim to be, but the American viewpoint would have one look for LCPS to have some kind of official recognition (if degree-granting) or listing (if only diploma-granting) after reading their claim, and rightfully so. LCPS has no such recognition listed by the UK Government, that's where the questions would arise.
     
  19. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    Yep, it's definitely well-saturated at this point. But the reason I put things the way I did in the original post was because both schools I looked at made direct references to connections only for MBA programs and no other types. Why not other fields or majors? I have no idea.
     
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  20. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Active Member

    Hello!


    If it still interests anyone: Shenzhen University did still not answer. Due to corona crisis? Do they bother at all? Is this chinese politeness (if you can't say anything positive, don't say anything)? Feel free to speculate; I won't any more.


    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     

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