CCU international graduates

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by euphoric, Mar 26, 2007.

  1. worthingco

    worthingco New Member


    Perhaps you could provide an example of a Canadian DL MBA for around $9,000 US? (I think this is about what CCU's MBA costs).
  2. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I might be able to help with this one. I'm a member of a hiring committee at a Canadian University and although I have never seen any applicants from CCU, the main criteria is that if we don't know the school, we don't even bother to look further as we have so many candidates from known schools that there is no need to bother with the no names. If a candidate comes from an American school, we just ask each other if we know the school and if it is not the case we just go with the next resume. There is nothing "official" that says that CCU graduates should be rejected, but we live in a very competitive world so you should get the best you can get to get noticed.
  3. macattack

    macattack New Member

    Don't be afraid to invest money toward your goals, your future is your best investment.
  4. worthingco

    worthingco New Member

    Good advice indeed. ;) Perhaps I shall hang a plaque on my wall stating same.

    I'm quite familiar with student loans and the burden of them.
  5. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Few options just out my head

    Laval online MBA
    6.5K USD about
    Waterloo M.Sc in Management
    13K USD

    Laval is AACSB accredited but only offered in French and in English in the future (hey, what not in a second language that enhance your resume as well!)

    I think that the 4 extra K might worth the Waterloo name on your resume.
  6. macattack

    macattack New Member

    For just a smidge more you can get an AACSB MBA from the University of Nebraska - Lincoln! Everyone knows the Cornhuskers.

    The university is rich with history.

    Bill and Warren recently visited the business school there.

    I don't know, which seems like a better investment?
  7. turtle

    turtle New Member

    I am also in the education sector and beg to differ with "evaluated by the minister of education ". This is not true in Ontario if you mean post secondary education and as far as I know not true in any other jurisdiction in Canada. In secondary and primary education I believe it is the College of Teachers, which is not a Ministry body, that evaluates credentials. It is the responsibility of the institution to evaluate the credential of faculty since they are the ones who hire them.

    Some universities in Canada may find a distinction between RA and NA but I do not know this to be a fact. I do know as a fact that the Colleges I work for not only accept NA degrees but have covered tuition costs for an NA degree.
  8. turtle

    turtle New Member

    This is really an interesting statement. I am truly saddened that the hiring process at a Canadian university has sunk to the level of "is this one of the old boy network people". You should be ashamed to post this message, but that is only my opinion.
  9. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I'm talking about CEGEPS and community colleges and not secondary education. Universities do their own evaluation.
  10. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    You are entitled to your opinion. Once again, I believe an employer would look at the fact that CCU is recognized and accredited by the "real experts". This is why employers primarily look into their giant book of recognized accreditors (as HR people put it) in order to decide if units, or a degree from a school will be recognized, NA or RA. Your speculations are interesting, but do not match up with the real world of employers that I speak to in my capacity at the State Workforce Department. Is a no name school better than a big name school? Of course, however, this is not a NA or RA issue.

    We agree to disagree. I don't think I have heard anyone here pushing CCU on the thread starter. He is free to make up his mind, and must choose a school that suits his needs, plain and simple. I do disagree with your assertion that CCU is a substandard school.

    Take care,

  11. worthingco

    worthingco New Member

    Well, I have to applaud RFValve for his/her honesty.

    I agree with you, turtle. All organizations should embrace diversity. Hiring profs from only the "known schools" only contributes to a stuffy, one-sided approach to academic thought. Some of the best profs I had in my undergrad were from "average" schools. I think Canada really falls behind when it comes to DL in general and the acceptance of it.
  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Not really, you have to understand that you get tons of resumes for a single position. We are all familiar with Canadian Universities so we have no problems with Canadian candidates but the problem is with graduates from foreign schools. If the candidate has already taught at a school we know then the foreign school is not a real issue as we can always get references from the previous employer. The issue is for fresh graduates, you get a resume with a graduate from CCU and another one with a graduate from Indiana University, we have to make a decision on who we will interview and there is no time for research due to time limitations so we go for the one we know. There is never an issue of hiring only people we know but people from schools we know or have taught at schools we know, Canadian graduates would have better chances as we all know Canadian schools but foreign graduates would have less chances if their schools are not known in Canada.

    I can imagine doing research for every school we get a resume for, this would basically means that the meeting would last forever. Especially when you get resumes from many countries of the world and graduates from places you can not even pronounce.
  13. worthingco

    worthingco New Member

    Thanks for the above.

    Laval looks good - too bad it's not currently offered in English. I've always liked Waterloo - it needs to offer an MBA at around the same price.
  14. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    "known schools" include all the Canadian schools and recognized foreign schools. There is never an issue for a Canadian School. As i explained, the issue is for foreign schools that we don't know.
  15. worthingco

    worthingco New Member

    Hmmm...methinks you need some NA degreed profs to "shake things up" a little. ;)
  16. euphoric

    euphoric New Member

    Wow you are making me think twice about getting a degree from CCU.
  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I think the logic is, why CCU if you have a lot more better options? As a smart buyer, look at different options and get the one that gives you more for your dollar. The argument of price doesn't apply here as you have many comparable price wise options with better programs.

    As more than one has said, if you have doubts enough to make this kind of questions? Why to bother with it?
  18. euphoric

    euphoric New Member

    the thing is that i've been unemployed for 8 months,
    i live on my own, and i am trying to find the cheapest way possible to get my education done , and CCU seemed like a good school, but now you are making me think twice about getting a degree from them, especially since i dont live in the US.
    if I lived in the US iwould go with CCU, but since I dont, I am a bit nervous to invest all my time and effort into a degree, which I might get laughed at down the road..
  19. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I think that if you are outside of the US, you need a degree that gives you mobility that means a degree that could be respected world wide and there is no issue of credibility in case you need to work in a different country. Australian schools might be a good option as many have DL options and are government based so there is no issue about credibility. Prices are comparable to CCU. You might want to check University of South Australia, Charles Sturt, University of Southern Queensland just to mention a few.

    You have to remember that you want something that can be used to work overseas so the school must be credible. I would try first government schools in the UK, Australia or the US before any for profit like CCU.
  20. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    I'm not a professor, have never served on a hiring committee, and have only observed the process here in California (not Canada or elsewhere) as a layman, from the outside.

    But the academic hiring that I've seen was very competitive. First of all, the school had a particular opening to fill. They wanted somebody to teach particular classes and to raise the department's profile in a particular research area. They advertised widely and received applications from all over the country, and no doubt from beyond. I didn't get to see how they narrowed the applicant pool, but some applicants were invited to fly out to the Bay Area and deliver try-out lectures. (That created a great lecture series for us students.) The short-listed candidates didn't all come from "top tier" USNews universities, but they were all from universities that were visible and active in the academic area that our school was interested in.

    On another occasion I watched a scientist being interviewed by a Silicon Valley biotech company. The interviewee was a graduate of a very prominent west coast research university and accreditation was never mentioned in the interview. What was covered was a pretty technical discussion of the hiring company's research problems, and lots of talk about the candidate's previous experiences in that area, on his thinking and orientation on certain technical issues, and so on. The interview was Ph.D. to Ph.D. and it was conducted at a very high technical level. (Way over my head.)

    Ok, my impression is that in both cases the NA/RA distinction wasn't tremendously important. I don't know this for sure, but I expect that a graduate of Rockefeller University (not RA, but several Nobel Prizes) could easily have gotten an interview. It's conceivable that a graduate of the Burnham Institute (just California-approved at the moment) might have gotten into the biotech interview on the basis of the institute's research reputation and many high-level collaborations. (It already offers one of its brand-new Ph.D. programs jointly with UC San Diego.)

    But Cal Coast, back in the days when it was awarding doctorates in lots of different fields, never managed to generate an academic reputation in anything. It just churned out hollow but pompous degrees. Gradually it pulled back from that, concentrating on business degrees and on preparing candidates for the California psychology exams (their pass-rate wasn't great). They were still faintly millish, awarding DBAs without dissertations, on the basis of students passing multiple-choice exams. (Machine scoring lowers labor-costs, I guess). Then they dropped the doctoral programs, started assigning essay exams and successfully applied to DETC.

    So Cal Coast is presumably an accreditable school these days, it apparently offers reasonably credible but totally unprestigious bachelors and masters programs, but it still isn't close to being the kind of institution whose graduates qualify for competitive professorial or scientific employment.

    Of course, most Cal Coast graduates aren't looking for that kind of employment, so the school's degrees might have more utility in different kinds situations. What that utility is outside the United States, I haven't a clue. I'd guess that it varies tremendously, depending on who, what, where and when.

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