Can a movie theatre legally keep you from bringing food in?

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  1. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    My wife and I went to the movies today and they searched her bag for candy and popcorn! That seems wrong to me. We did have water bottles in there and they seemed OK with that. But that got me wondering, if you brought food into a theater and they told you not to bring it it, could you do it anyway? Those of you that have legal experience, because it's on their private property, can they actually make you leave food out, or deny you entrance? Even after you have purchased a ticket?
     
  2. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    They cannot force you to consent to being searched, but since it is private property, they can deny you entrance to their facility if you refuse to be searched. They can deny you entrance as long as it is not based on race, religion, color or creed.
     
  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Sooo, they could keep me out if they don't like my outfit?
     
  4. FJD

    FJD Member

    Yes, they can prohibit outside food. A movie ticket is in effect a license granting you the right to enter the theater between the showing times, but the scope of your admission is governed by the terms of the transaction (i.e., the contract) you agreed to when you bought the ticket. They do not have the right to search you absent your consent, but they can refuse admission if you do not, essentially revoking your license, as they would by kicking you out if you were being too loud or disruptive or smoking or any number of other things.
     
  5. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    :eek:mfg: All the letters in your signature show that you are an especially qualified person to give this answer.

    I was once working in a Business Law classroom and the instructor explained that a movie ticket was actually a legal contract. It blew my uninitiated mind.
     
  6. potpourri

    potpourri New Member

    Seems to me that the movie theatre was within their rights to search since you were carrying water bottles.

    How come you would dare to bring in food to the theatre? What's wrong with you? Why would you bring water bottles to the theatre when you can purchase them there? Do you think it's right to take advantage of trying to be a cheapskate and not pay fairly?

    Would you bring in a drink if you entered a restaurant? I think it's so rude when people sneak in food to the theatre. If you can't pay, stay home. Those that do sneak in food and don't play by the rules are just plain cheapskates.
     
  7. japhy4529

    japhy4529 House Bassist

    I heard a story on NPR a few months ago where they claimed that movie theaters make the vast majority of their profits from their concession stands. Sometimes I'll buy popcorn and/or a drink at the theater, but I'm not above bringing in outside food.

    As to Potpourri's claim that the theater was "within their rights" to search your wife's bag, he or she is correct in that they can ASK to search said bag, but your wife could have certainly refused and left the theater.

    Some interesting responses to this very question from practicing attorneys may be found here: http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/does-a-movie-theater-have-the-legal-right-to-searc-858676.html
     
  8. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    I can confirm from experience of being a movie theater manager (I earned every single bit of my $10 an hour :Flush:). We would pay thousands of dollars to rent the physical reels of film and the license to show it in our facilities for several weeks or months. Admissions could hardly cover even that cost and certainly never even came close to cover property, utilities, staff wages and corporate overhead.

    How does this apply to BJ's, where they ask to check your bags after you've already made your purchase and are on your way out? I comply just to be polite and keep the line moving, but the FREEDOM LUVIN RED BLUDDID MURRICAN in me wants to rise up in protest. I mean, it's not like they can detain me or force me to return what I've purchased. If they kick me out, well, I was just about to leave, anyway, so..
     
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  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Unlike most stores, BJ's is a club, where you sign an agreement to be a member. I was a member there for a while too, but I knew that was part of the deal, so I didn't balk at their wanting to cross-check receipts against my shopping cart contents on the way out.

    On the other hand, I was once at a Party City that demanded a look in everyone's bag (even personal handbags, etc.) on their way out. There was no notice on the way in that they wanted to do this. They even hired an off duty cop to stand there to intimidate their mostly unsophisticated clientèle into compliance. I wasn't carrying a bag when I went in, and I was only there for one thing, so I sidestepped the issue by telling the cashier I didn't need a bag, and I never went back there for anything ever again.
     
  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    They cannot force you to submit to a search, although they can ban you from the store if you refuse to allow your bags or your person to be searched, but you also do not have to legally tell them your name, so how can they ban you, except by recognition? Conversely, if a person is suspected of having stolen items on them, then the rules can vary from state-to-state, but as an example, some states will allow a merchant to forcibly detain a suspect until the police arrive, while other states have citizens arrest authority, depending on the circumstances.
     
  11. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Kizmet: "Sooo, they could keep me out if they don't like my outfit?"

    John: A friend and I approached a casino attached to our hotel. He was waved in, and I was turned away. Comparably dressed, but for shoes. His had laces; mine were loafers. The bouncer explained that loafers were too casual. Of the several notions that arose, my favorite was my friend and I would exchange one shoe, and we each hop in on the 'legal' shoe.
     
  12. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    So I guess that my flip-flops would be out of the question. They are the special "Sponge Bob" model too.:sigh:
     
  13. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    John, you are an amazing storyteller. I hope you consider writing several dozen more books in the century or so you have remaining in your awesome life :)

    I don't know if times have changed or if this is a matter of taste and culture, but I'd have to disagree on the loafers vs laces point. Loafers look more sleek and therefore, more fancy than a shoe for which you have to weave a long piece of string through a course of holes. All of my dress shoes and business casual shoes are loafers. I limit laces to my various athletic footwear.
     
  14. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    This is an unduly splenetic response.
     
  15. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Thanks for that link. It's good to hear from attorneys on the subject, and the answer was exactly what I expected. Because it's private property, they can set conditions that bar your entry. You do not have to submit to a search, but they have the right to deny entrance if you do. The best way to fight it is to vote with your feet, and patronize another theater.
     
  16. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    Thank you for the kind words, MC.

    I remember reading about the time Groucho Marx appeared at the luxurious Trader Vic's restaurant without a tie. They offered him one from their collection kept for such a purpose. He accepted it, and dutifully tied it around his forehead. The maitre d' apparently scratched his head, decided that this did not violate their dress code, and admitted him.
     
  17. RAM PhD

    RAM PhD Member

    Also, could the cinema keep one from entering the movie if one's degree is unaccredited? :haha:
     
  18. potpourri

    potpourri New Member

    I was only being honest and upfront in my response.

    It's interesting that people don't have a problem with the idea of sneaking in food or beverages into a theatre. But, if you asked them if they would do the same thing if they were to go to a restaurant they would say no.

    My point of the response was to say if you can't play by the rules then you should stay home. The theatre is a business that is there to make money and it shouldn't be a place to try to be beat the system by sneaking in food instead of purchasing it from them.
     
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  19. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    Maybe some theaters will do a degree evaluation before they let you in. :smile:
     
  20. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator

    My previous comment stands.
     

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