Bush wins hands down

Hi DBZ

1. I think your ladeling and dismissing people is a poor way of dealing with differing opinions. These same peole had no problem admitting President Bush's loss in the first debate. Perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss them.

2. My Mom is helped immensely by the Drug Discount Card. Not a perfect answer but a great first step.

3. How about leaving the rhetoric home and having a straight and open discussion?

 

Bush will win this election.

First, he will win florida. They will get lots of federal aid, and his brother will "pull through for him."

Second, the undecided voters who have leaned towards Kerry on account of the first debate will now either lean the other way, or be split once more.

Bush has more money for ads left.

Bush showed up last night and the expectation was low. He did equal to Kerry, in my mind perhaps better, but mostly because people don't expect him to do well in that kind of situation. When he does better than expected, the credibility returns to him. He wins. He will win Missouri, Ohio, and Florida.

Bush wins '04.

 

Hey Dave

Why can you admit that

1. GW and father have never been great President's. The Republicans have their pick of smart men (and women) and yet they pick a dangerous idealouge who thinks his religious convictions are more important than the Consitution and the law.

2. Drug cards = big joke. Less than 5% of the people are saving anything. I guess your mom is lucky to be in that 5%. My mother and grandmothers say that they would actually pay more.

3. Isn't what you are posting rhetoric as well?

I make no bones about it. I don't like GW Bush. I didn't like his father as well. They are both silver spoons men who are frankly not very good President's.

Ask yourself, what has G H W Bush done after his Presidency? Did he choose the high road like Carter and Nixon - using their political power in betterment of mankind? No, like Gerald Ford, GWH Bush hasn't done squat except make money for themselves.

Before this election, I frankly didn't know Kerry as well. Do I like Kerry? I am not sure. I am really not that impressed. However, we have had nealry 4 years of a failed Bush 2, and 4 years of a failed Bush 1. Bush 2 went on to say that we had the shallowest recession in the history of the US. I guess he doesn't get out of his office very much. The tech industry nationwide is still in recession. The Semi and Telco industries are still laying off. The Semi industry has lost 30% of its jobs. These aren't WalMart type jobs either. They are the types of jobs that take years of education and training to perform (engineerings, techs, scientists, etc).

 

Bipartisan plutocracy, more or less by, um, accident

Well, if the Bushes are "silver spoons men", Kerry's a "silver flight recorder" man. Whole lotta jingle goin' on.

 

Hi M.E.

1. I think it is a little early to give a historical review of either Bush Presidency. I do give any President, Democrat or Republican, their due respect. That is something I think more people should do.

2. Drug cards are NOT a big joke. They help low income elderly immensely. Are they a complete or 100% answer? No, but I am not sure a complete answer is possible considering what most people are willing to pay in taxes.

3. Kerry doesn't interest me in the slightest. He is a 90 day Vietnam wonder. He hides his miltary record while trying to slight his opponet. I don't think either candidate is the best choice, but of the two, I take the known quantity. My guess is Bush has an approximately 70% chance of winning vs. Kerry's 20-25%.

4. Rhetoric is when a person stops using reason and only see one side. I hate it when either side does it. DBZ's labeling of posters here is a perfect example.

 

Carl,

I agree. One of the telling ironies was Bush's continued rant about Kerry as to why he cannot lead this country. In talking about Kerry's supposed inconsistencies, he kept saying "You cannot lead this country..."

The irony is that, by definition, Bush is not leading this country. This country is as divided as in the 1960's. His leadership is suspect around the world. Other countries are flabbergasted as to how this guy got elected. Of course, Bush's response is essentially "screw them." We are not enough of a superpower that we can go it alone. We have to have cooperation from other countries. Bush doesn't get it.

I had dinner with mom and a table full of her friends about 6 months ago. These were all women in their eighties living in a retirement community, many of them Republicans and well off financially (theoretically a strong part of Bush's base). Every single one of them voiced their displeasure with Bush. Many of them spoke about how they were embarrassed, even ashamed, that he was our president. I thought that was pretty telling. This was a generation that grew up with FDR and the idea of the US President as a real statesman. Bush is a flimsy, cardboard facsimile of that standard.

Last night, Bush didn't make points. When it was his turn, he pleaded, whined, and instructed. He grew indignant and testy.

And when he started to defend his environmental record, I thought I was going to have a stroke. He is the worst environmental president in recent (and not so recent) memory. Go to the Sierra Club site for the low down. Of course, the Republicans will scoff and say, "Oh the Sierra Club, what do you expect from that liberal bee hive." Well, where should one get information on the environment - from Exxon? This guy is a servant to oil companies, logging companies, defense contractors, and big business in general. He has no platform other than to say he is keeping the American people safe. It’s a dubious claim, considering the escalating tensions worldwide. He defines safety as an absence of attacks on US soils. His philosophy on the environment is similar. The environment is not killing us (in obvious ways, at least), and trees are still growing, therefore the environment is healthy.

The liberal philosophy is a little more holistic. Most of us have accepted the fact that our own personal health cannot be defined as absence of disease. The same is true for the environment and the political health of the world. Bush doesn’t see it. He is, by nature, stubborn and short-sighted. He doesn’t see the big picture. He sees the world as either for him or against him. And for those who are against him, all he can see is red.

I don’t know if he’s truly stupid. His narrow-mindedness may be masking intelligence. He does appear stupid. There’s no doubt about that, and in that way I have to say that, like my mother’s friends, I am embarrassed that he is president. I have honestly tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but his complete inability to grasp complex ideas, and his refusal to consider opinions that differ with his, makes it hard. I don’t expect him to agree with Kerry, but he cannot even offer intelligent counterpoints. Instead he just gets angry and repeats himself.

I think we've all heard enough about Iraq. Both Bush and Kerry are starting to sound like broken records. Next week it's all about domestic issues. When it comes to jobs, immigration, education, health care, the economy, the environment etc., he looks bad, very bad. As Bush said himself, you can run but you cannot hide.

Expect a rout in the next debate.

 

Will you please substantiate this? Gallup generally doesn't release polling results until the following week of conducting.

 

The Gallup poll is a reasonably scientific poll. Their random sample shows the debate as 47% Kerry, 45% Bush.

The democrats and republicans voted overwhelmingly for their man. No surprise there. More interesting is that independents were 53% to 37% in favor of Kerry.

Women favored Kerry 50% to 41%. Bush's macho display may have turned off a lot of women.

Kerry expressed himself more clearly, 54% to 37%. No surprise there either.

Let's hope independents and women turn out in record numbers on Nov. 2.

 

No one has yet mentioned John Kerry's remark that of those in the crowd only he, Bush, and Charlie Gibson would pay higher taxes. It is hard to believe that this snobbish, wannabee intellectual isn't called on the carpet for such condescending remarks. For all he knows, there could have been any number of wealthy folks in the audience. Of course, to a person like Kerry, no one if poor old Missouri could possibly have much money. This guy makes me wretch.

BLD

 

For those that haven't seen the latest Jib-Jab short, be sure to check it out. It skewers both sides well.

http://www.jibjab.com/

 

The Vitriol

Is it only I or has anyone else noticed the vitriol spewing forth form some Kerry supporters towards Bush?

Those of us who back the President have not (I may be wrong.) called Kerry names or attacked his intelligence. We have expressed concern about his views and his constantly changing his positions.

Yet, his supporters on this board have called Bush a liar, idiot, and other such unflattering names. The discourse in American politics deserves better.

Anyone else?

 

Charlie Gibson answered that last night on Ted Koppel`s Nightline
....they found the proof in Bush`s tax records from 2-3 yrs ago, listed as dividend income...that was hiddened in subsequent tax filings as "royalties".

Careful what you wish for Ian.

 

I did not wish for anything - I was just curious how such a situation arose with two opposing claims.

Anyway I found the answer at http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=275.html
It turns out there were errors by both candidates in the quetion and response.

 

Re: The Vitriol

Yes. Very unbecoming and it speaks poorly of their candidate too.

 

Anyone who doesn't think people like Bush, Cheney, Kerry, and Edwards, along with most millionaires, don't take advantage of every tax loophole available, is living in the Land of Oz. Enjoy your Kool Aid!

 

Vicarious victory for Bush

President Bush scored a major victory in the War on Terror and in the War in Iraq.

Austrailian Prime Minister John Howard won reelection by a margin that shocked the opposition and the analysists.

This is important for two reasons. Howard has been a strong supporter of Bush in the War on Terror and the War in Iraq. Austrailia has been a close ally.

John Kerry's sister, who (I believe.), lives in Australia, said Australia is more vulnerable to attack by the terrorists because of Howard's close relationship to Bush.

She has been trying to undermind the War on Terror, defeat Bush in the upcoming election, and had been seeking Howard's defeat.

See the story here http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134948,00.html

Let's hope this is a precursor to the U.S. election!

FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!

 

Re: Vicarious victory for Bush

I believe this was the expected result. Maybe our Australian members would care to comment.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/10/09/australia.vote/index.html

"The Howard campaign has focussed strongly on its economic record, having presided over years of prosperity in Australia..."

"The campaign also hinged on personalities, with Howard seen as a colorless but a reliable steward of the economy, and Latham perceived as young and energetic, but also inexperienced and sometimes undisciplined."


Looks like the Australians were more worried about the economy than Iraq.

Perhaps we should do the same.

 

Lets talk Healthcare...My opinion and I feel a simple and true fact.

Neither candidate is going to create a miracle in this area in the next 4 years. probably will never happen. We all know that all forms of insurance, whether commercial, auto, home, life and Healthcare are at the mercy of attorneys who lead their clients into suing the pants off of malpractice or auto accidents etc.

We all pay for this one way or the other. At least Nush has the idea of passing a limit to lawsuit malpractice and to limit the bizarre and outrageous punitive damage lawsuits which force our helathcare to be so expensive. We limit the maximums on lawsuit malpractice and the insurance companies will lower premiums in all areas.

Honestly, I woudnt want to be either of the candidates. You go into politics in a divided nation with a race as close as both parties have been, each candidate gains an immiediate high number of enemies or at least people who dispise of do not like what each may stand for. Tough job in either case.

 

Re: Re: Vicarious victory for Bush

Actually, according to the American press, Howard was considered in trouble and somewhat counted out.