Biden 2024

So it begins. This perfectly captures my take:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/maddow-blog-rnc-accidentally-makes-an-important-point-in-new-anti-biden-ad/ar-AA1ajYep?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=026d905cb6ac412a9dfa2be1b0f1d57a&ei=19

"The Republican National Committee, in other words, accidentally stumbled onto an important point: As Biden eyes a second term, his opposition party struggled to find anything wrong with his actual record while in office."

 

Yeah, I know. I know already (though I've never forgotten Anita Hill). My enthusiasm level would require a post hole digger to reach. But I'll vote for Harris despite the baggage she brings.

 

Brandon is good enough for AOC and Bernie; he's about the best of what realistically can be had right now.

It's funny how every woman in position to run for President and VP comes with "baggage". Seriously. prove me wrong; name one exception. I can name a couple of women I like more than Harris; if we can't have HRC, my first choice would be Warren. But let's face it, Bernie's asinine misogynistic statement was not exactly untrue. She's not any more electable than Harris, and that goes for every. Single. Prominent woman. You can. Think about. Which is, you know, cr@p. Someone has to be the first, preferably sooner than later. But we are likely to have an openly gay President (Sec. Pete) before female one.

 

I take your point but the "baggage" I referred to is Joe Biden!

 

I take your point. But, first, it's not like there's a viable alternative right now, and, second, his administration actually exceeds realistic expectations (maybe except on immigration, but even there - what could have realistically be done?).

Also, that's a refreshing POW. Maybe she has a path to the White House in 2028, after all. Again, not my dream candidate, but that would be a win. She's a daughter of immigrant academics, too (unfortunately, won't be role model for my own daughters - they were born in Canada).

 

More like where to start. A generally incompetent administration led by a doddering old man, a mediocre VP, and a host of strange characters. CNN even reported before the mid terms that Democrats were concerned the White House was "rudderless" and reactive.

 

Biden is the sitting president and has been highly successful in his first term. That he is running for re-election is hardly remarkable.

What would set everyone's hair on fire is if he declined to do so.

 

Not enough for a RNC ad, though; they literally resorted to AI-generated images of hypothetical horrors. A generally incompetent administration that scored bipartisan infrastructure and gun control bills, passed Inflation Reduction Act, united NATO, and stood up to Putin, finally? More please.

 

From what I hear many in GOP are happy that President Biden will run for reelection in 2024 better him a moderate then radical leftist progressive.
Especially those who think eventually there will be a different candidate from GOP.
But also among the Dem's while many are enthusiastic about the run, many are not happy about it. It appears to me a split at 50/50 as what they wish.
Nearly all the Democrats interviewed indicated they "would vote for Biden in a general election,"
even though "some conceded that, while he was far from their first choice, he might be the best option for the current moment".

Their concerns about Biden run much deeper, in line with a majority of Democratic voters nationwide, who question the 80-year-old president’s launch his reelection campaign.
Others, like Shurtleff, are upset about the administration’s messy withdrawal from Afghanistan.
And the party’s progressive wing has never been enthusiastic about Biden, who is perceived as a moderate, despite his lengthy list of achievements.

While voters are signaling unease about the prospect of another Biden campaign, Democratic governors, senators and congressional representatives are virtually unanimous in supporting President Biden’s reelection.

 

I would rather see someone younger run. Although my biggest concern is keeping Trump out of the White House. Our democracy barely survived 4 years of Trump. I'm very concerned that if Trump gets back into the White House he would start trying to unravel our democracy on day one. By the time 2027 or 2028 came he would be in position to squash our democracy to stay in power. I think Biden has the best chance of beating Trump again. So I'm in for Biden and still hope Trump loses the primary, just to keep him as far away from power as possible. Even though I think another Republican would have a better chance of beating Biden.

 

Going into Afghanistan wasn't Biden's doing and there was absolutely zero reason to stay in the country. The mission, after 20 years and billions of dollars spent not to mention American lives lost, was a complete and total failure. Thank you GWB. As to the rest, yeah, Biden has been pretty effective. I don't know that anyone else would have done as well under the circumstances.

Sigh.

 

Biden did not oppose the US invasion of Afghanistan. As a US senator from Delaware, he joined his Senate colleagues in a unanimous vote in support of the 2001 resolution that authorized the use of military force against “nations, organizations, or persons” President George W. Bush determined were behind the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

President Biden faced criticism from Republicans and some Democrats on the manner in which the withdrawal was carried out.
The exit was needed and there was bipartisan support to end the never ending war in Afghanistan, I think all sides or majority were planning to exit.
I can't tell how anybody else would have done it but what was witnessed and the way the escape was portrayed was at the minimum chaotic.

I quote:

Rep. Dean Phillips, D-Minn., a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told NPR that junior aides in his office were embarrassed about how "poorly coordinated" the effort to help Americans and Afghan allies evacuate was, and he learned more from his staff than from federal officials.
"There isn't a lot of communication. There isn't a lot of collaboration. And it is a source of both confusion and disappointment," he said.

 

Bush mislead the country on what was going on. This means that Bush deserves much of the blame that you are trying to spread on Biden and others that believed his lies.

What should be clear also is that pulling out was going to be messy no matter what because US forces no longer had full control of the situation on the ground.

 

Who, though? And would that person be any more effective the last 2 years?

 

Bush administration came under criticism for misleading on Iraq. I don't recall there was misleading on Afghanistan.
As I quoted earlier there was consensus on Afghanistan. I will check on what you are saying Bill, because I simply don't recall it this way.

I personally wish our president Biden many years of health and vitality.

 

That is the billion dollar question!

And no, Biden was amazingly effective the first two years of his administration. I don't think anyone could have been more effective, especially considering how razor thin the Democratic majority was.

 

Yeah.

So why do you want someone younger?
There were many people I liked more or as much as Biden at the primaries (pretty much everyone except Gabbard, Bernie, and Bloomberg). But I really doubt any of them would have performed any better (arguably, except Warren - but I really doubt the great American electorate is anywhere near ready to elect someone like her). And ultimately, that should be the thing that matters. I am really frustrated by the great American media (and I mean "mainstream", "liberal" corporate media that is in reality center-right, just like the Democratic Party), because they do not talk about which candidate is more likely to do a good job, but rather how successful they are in electoral "race" - who panders better. I'm a resident Hillary supporter - she was the one hit the worst with this thing. It is a minor miracle the same person TVheads decided fits the "electability" narrative ALSO has a good team and can work a Congress. The way people are informed and make decisions here sure needs some improvement. Or a whole lot.

 

My apologies Lerner. As you guessed, I confused Iraq and Afganistan.

 

Just on general principles, I think the President should be younger. It's a very important position and someone in their 80's can take a turn for the worse very quickly, even someone in very good physical condition like Biden.

Like I tried to explain though, in this specific case with the anti-democracy Trump hunting for a second term, Biden is our best chance to stop him. So, I'll be backing Biden.

 

Gee. No rock throwing? Dang. Civil polite discourse in politics is un-American!