Andrew Yang 2020

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  1. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    I know Yang is the UBI guy. I'm not surprised he didn't get into that with Tucker Carlson, but he's right to ask questions about the effects of automation. What happens when an increasing percentage of people just aren't economically useful enough to be worth hiring? We talk about retraining, which is great, but let's face it, there are an awful lot of people out there who just aren't all that smart.
     
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  3. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Out of all the presidential candidates I've seen since I was old enough to vote, he's probably the one who has done the most research and has methodically come up with solutions to various problems. He has a good rebuttal for everything. Anyone interested should watch his interview on the Breakfast Club.

    However, he's too far to the left for me. He's even further left than Bernie Sanders and European politicians. I'll have to see if Beto O'Rourke comes up with anything of substance. He's center-left and managed to raise more money than Bernie in the first 24 hours after his announcement.

    Other candidates I'm watching are Harris and Castro. I'm not a fan of Warren, and Klobuchar sounds like an evil b***h. But, we might need someone like Klobuchar or Biden to win the Midwest.
     
  4. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    People have to be realistic. All these new, high-tech jobs automation is supposed to create will require above average intelligence. Someone who's been an order taker at Taco Bell for 10 years is not going to learn robotics and artificial intelligence.
     
  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

     
  6. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Yeah, sometimes it seems like half the people are below average.:confused:
     
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  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    Indeed, I love the way Yang refers to a taxpayer-funded $1000/month payment to everyone as a "freedom dividend", when it's actually an extortion dividend. Orwell would be proud.
     
  8. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    I was never a fan of giving anyone “free” money. Last night I listened to, and read about Yang’ ideas and I think he is on to something. I have seen him demolished the Socialism counter arguments. A couple stats, 64% participation rate, 90% of new jobs part time. Serious issues like declining longevity among white males, disabilities, and suicidability . A significant numbers of people are already receiving government assistance. The only people who gets shafted are the working-poor and the rich.
     
  9. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    16 minutes in Iowa.

    I like this guy. I dubbed him the Empirican Candidate. He is a thinker. I like how he uses numbers as a positive tool. Example, the USA spend the most on health care than any developed countries. Why not spend less and have everyone insured at the same time?

     
  10. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    I like pragmatism and data driven understanding of issues with solutions. I also am very fond of liberty, individual incentive, and the fiscal stewardship required to successfully run any institution. To receive compensation you must bring value to something or someone willing to pay you for the exchange. I am very uncomfortable with some of the proposed solutions though I know each issue must be looked at thoroughly and with the appropriate information to make the best decision.
     
  11. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    I haven't watched the video but the issue is the system, not how it is funded and who has coverage. Government intervention on any level drives up prices; from government contracting, to health care, to education we throw dollars into a system that is exploited and prices rise. The government feeds the behavior that increases the prices. The mixed system we have now of private and government funded health care is what has caused many issues.
     
  12. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    What most Americans don't know is that many of the policies being proposed by, who some would call, socialist Democrats already exist in the U.S. and/or other democracies. In Alaska, everyone who has established residence gets oil dividends. I'm not saying I think it should be implemented nationwide, but it's something that already exists in the U.S. and is supported by Republicans in Alaska.

    With privatization of everything, prices might go down, but that doesn't mean that it will be affordable to everyone. Higher education, for example, was not affordable for a lot of people when prices were lower. Yeah, tuition might have been $1,000 per year, but minimum wage was a couple of dollars an hour.

    While financial aid might have caused tuition to go up (that's debatable since state subsidies also went down), college became more accessible to millions of people because of grants and loans. There's evidence that the primary driver behind the increase in student loan debt was the growing popularity of for-profit colleges.
     
  13. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    I have been an Alaska resident for many years and receive the PFD. AK as a state, including history prior to statehood and since, has very little in common with the US as a whole. The PFD also has few similarities with many of the proposals, and more importantly today, has a well-maintained fund north of $65B. These differences, and the way the state was "chartered," are what led to the PFD and allowed it to happen as a natural process and as a requirement of law.

    The way the Native population was handled was far different, and far more advantageous to them in the later years, than anywhere else in the country as well.
     
  14. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    This podcast is worth the listening. Although the guy is a democrat and a capitalist , his observations are real. The mainstream media is not paying attention to him, and that is to the detriment of America. The guy has all the qualities of what a modern country needs in a president. Ideology should never get in the way of good policies.
    In his presentations i have listened, he has never said anything negative about the left or the right, or about anyone. He is about ideas.

    http://freakonomics.com/podcast/andrew-yang/
     
  15. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    I am binging on this guy. I like how he goes into potential hostile territory and grabs the full attention of the apposition.
     
  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

  17. JBjunior

    JBjunior Active Member

    A "business" where you have "unlimited" resources, can (en)force compliance, and often aren't around long enough to be held accountable for your decisions... of course a new government program is the solution for every issue.
     
  18. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

  20. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    If these people can changed from Nazi to caring people , then let it be. $12k is not much, but it might just be enough to empower people at the bottom of the economic ladder.

    I have never believed in handing out money to people who refused to work. But what have I based that on - my feelings, not empirical data.
     

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