Ana G. Mendez University

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  1. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Gracias!
     
  2. Alpine

    Alpine Active Member

    No quiero contar los anos, sin embargo, feliz cumpleanos hermano! Disfruta su vacacion en La Isla del Encanto!
     
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  3. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Come to New York. It seems to be exceptionally common here.
     
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  4. ArielB

    ArielB Member

    They often are. Interestingly, there is a whole Reddit forum about "Noctors" (i.e. NOT Doctors) where this practice is criticized pretty heavily.
     
  5. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    My two cents:

    The term "doctor" has two meanings: one professional and one academic. (The latter are split into scholarly and professional categories.) Thus, one is a "doctor" in a licensed profession that uses that title to connote its practitioners. Thus, MDs are "doctors." Lawyers, who now receive a JD, are not. (But they sometimes use that title when teaching in law schools, which would be a more appropriate use.) Lawyers are not called "doctor" as practitioners.

    Other medical practitioners who are called "doctor" usually receive first-professional (as opposed to professional) doctorates. (Interestingly, psychologists do not. They receive either a scholarly PhD or a professional PsyD.) But their titles really derive from their license to practice in their distinct fields. Thus, optometrists and psychologists are called "doctor," while a pharmacists--even one with a DPharm--is not.

    So, what about nurse practitioners? Well, as it stands now, NPs are an extension of nursing, not medicine. You don't get the title "doctor" by becoming an NP, even though many take a DNP. (My wife, an NP, did a huge master's instead.) Calling an NP "doctor" would cause confusion and incorrect inferences.

    I do think three things could change it though. First, make the DNP a first-professional doctorate instead of the "sorta first-professional, sorta professional" degree it is currently. (Some NPs even go back and do the DNP now that it is more widely available, despite being certified as NPs already.) Second, mandate the use of the title "doctor." Third, nursing practice, at that level, anyway, needs to be distinct and independent from medicine practiced by MDs. Right now, they're "little MDs" (not unlike PAs), but some can practice independently (unlike PAs). This third issue is the most difficult and complex challenge.

    Just as DOs, DCs, and other para-medical doctors can co-exist with physicians using the "doctor" title, so could nurses. But the field has some growing up to do, and is restrained from that goal in no small part to the systemic sexism associated with nursing.

    Finally, as with all such things, the lines can get pretty blurred, so I'm sure plenty of anecdotal exceptions can be found. But I've been living with this issue for more than 25 years, so take that for what you will.
     
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  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    In the U.S. at least, DOs don't belong on this list. They learn everything MDs learn and can do everything MDs do.
     
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  7. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I have a colleague (assistant professor) named Dr. Nurse. Her last name is Nurse and she is an RN with a Ph.D.

     
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  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Typo. I meant OD--optometry. Yes, I specifically did not mean to list osteopaths because they are equal to MDs.
     
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  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I knew an Airmen Sergeant once, as well as a Sergeant Captain. Then there was Radar O'Reilly as a "corporal captain" and Bob Newhart as "Captain Major," later promoted to "Major Major." Then there was a general nuisance, but his name was Cousin Oliver.
     
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