America First Caucus Policy Platform

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Stanislav, Apr 19, 2021.

  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Firstly, I agree that Canada is far from the communist beehive that some U.S. conservatives make it out to be. Heck, Canada has actually scored better on country rankings of pro-market policies than the U.S. has in recent years.

    That said, my understanding is that retention of the monarchy is not from any widespread love of the institution, but more because it's no one's priority and changing to a commonwealth would require the Herculean task of all ten provinces acting in unprecedented unison. N'est-ce pas?
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    You hit the nail on the head with that one!
  3. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Canadians normally are indifferent towards the Crown, at best. Nevertheless, the end result is more "conservative" than advertised.
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I will correct what I said because I didn't mean you Bill or many of the Democrat followers, its on a much higher hierarchy, on the top the ones who pull the strings. And no I don't think they want to exterminate races but
    So my apology, I misspoke here. Definitely have family, kids and many friends who are on the left.
    So divide by class like Lenin or communists, and divide by race like Hitler and Nazis is extreme examples, I will take these names out of the sentence.
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I do not believe that either the Republican leaders nor the Democratic leaders want to destroy America.
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    There is a problem with your analysis.
    All these issues are scary but they are reality.
    Inner City Gangs, Radical Islamic Terror, and others.
    They all deserve attention and action.
    Maybe Russians in the border of Ukraine are also invented enemy?
    Maybe Ukraine aspirations for better life and membership in EU economic union are all dreams.
    Russians say Ukraine is being used by the west and if Ukraine remained neutral they were never been any issues.
    Everybody points finger on some enemy.
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    let's talk about two others, shall we? Welfare queens and immigrants. The first one refers to the story Reagan liked to tell; the real-world inspiration of it did exist, but the woman in question was a complete outlier. In fact, she was a con artist; welfare problems are not problematic because there was this movie-worthy characters. We don't try to abolish banks because of Bonnie&Clyde. Immigrants? You tell me. Should you self-deport out of great love for the US? Please don't start about "illegals"; "America First" policy document clearly spells out how they see all immigration as problematic.

    "Inner city gangs" scare tactic gave us war on crime, which brought us into the mess we're in currently with the need for police reforms. "War on drugs" too. "Islamic terror"? "War on terror" brought us endless wars we're still in. So yeah, not very good examples for you.

    Russia is an existential threat for Ukraine. The equivalent existential threat for US was the Confederacy, symbols glorifying which your side fights so valiantly to preserve. Ditto for terrorism: which organization/movement historically brought the most terror to Americans? Can you answer this trivia question?

    I'm glad you're not disputing that the GOP/Conservatism is a market-worshipping pseudo-religion. Also, back to "America First": do you support that fascist document?
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  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    On illegals there is no such a thing. There is undocumented Immigrants (Someone who lost their papers?) and now the language is non citizens.

    The assault on police is unprecedented. The Democrat leaders who want to de-fund police are out of their mind.
    Its the part of the assault on the institutions mentioned previously.
    Reform in terms of better training , yes.
    Majority of police protect all from danger and lawlessness, as well as they have to think like psychologists and lawyers. They are of our soldiers willing to lose your lives.
    And it’s not only the fact that the left leaders love to vilify cops regardless, but everybody else that is on the right or centrist that are failing to stand up in mass and say, “You know what? Enough’s enough.
    We need the policeman because if these cops continue to leave, then you’re gonna end up with subpar individuals left to take up the mantle, and you’re gonna end up with buyer’s remorse.

    Here are some words of Police officer:
    "I’ve been a cop for almost 30 years, and I planned originally to do it for another 10. But the way that things are now with cops being vilified for not only doing what’s wrong and getting whatever consequences they have coming… I don’t disagree with that. But when you’re doing things right and by the book and by your extensive, yearly updated training, and you’re still vilified, it’s time to go. I can take care of mine. I can take care of me and those around me ongoing. But as far as the masses, I just can’t do it anymore."
    Recent data: looking at crime trends in 51 US cities in 2020 so far compared to 2019. murders are up 36 percent.
    A report by the Council on Criminal Justice, found homicides have increased sharply this year across 21 US cities with relevant data: “Homicide rates increased by 42% during the summer and 34% in the fall over the summer and fall of 2019.”
    There been range of effects, from officers pulling back from their duties to greater community distrust in police, leading to more unchecked violence.
    Others point to the bad economy. Another potential factor is a huge increase in gum purchasing.
  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Again, welcome to the Democratic Party. What you are agreeing with is literally in Joe Biden's platform. The one side effect of the right trying to pin "Defund the Police" on Biden is the fact he had to several times clearly state that he's not in favor of that.

    Problems with police violence go much deeper than "training". The first step is accountability, and the Dems are working on that. It's also a valid point that there are better ways to address crime than rely solely on police, and that these things (social services, mental health, community development) are suffering when local funds get sucked into police and prison-industrial complex under "war on crime". Ideas to address this disbalance is what gets labeled "Defund the Police". I always thought, though, that progressives who coined that idiotic slogan are poseur armchair revolutionaries, and it is a gigantic self-own and a gift for GOP culture war mongers.

    Actually, I think it is a height of hypocrisy for a Trump apologist to complain about "assault on institutions". Start with maybe condemning the relentless assault the Orange Mussolini still wages on the results of November elections. Or your party seeking to mess with democratic franchise. Or all the p*ssy-grabbing. Or nepotism. Or the rallies. Or, I don't know, how about storming the Capitol. You, defenders of the "institutions"? Phlease.
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The Arizona Senate-ordered recount of Maricopa County election ballots was to begin Friday — nearly six months after voters elected Joe Biden as president — at Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Phoenix.
    GA state also going to have recount/audit.
    Democracy in action.

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