Accreditation

Ditto to Bill Puffman also
In response, all I can say Jack (& Jill)? is that the moderators need to seriously question whether you should be a member! 99% of everthing you have ever posted should have been moderated and eliminated.
Have a nice day!
Dr Anatidae

 

On the same subject - and on this special day (at least in NZ) - the RA Accreditation Extremists should read (again) what Dr Bob Jones III had to say about accreditation. This was discussed in an earlier thread.
Dr Anatidae

 

things are fine with UIUC

Hi Carl,

Thanks for your concern about how UIUC had seemed to be conducting its affairs. I think it's a pretty good fit to the data to view events as the consequences of an instance of bad judgement by one administrator, and not as a measure of the university's general behavior. Within a few days of pulling my material off a UIUC server I was asked by the director of the Illinois Board of Higher Education (which oversees all post-secondary education in the state) to spend an afternoon in Springfield discussing accreditation-related issues. I continue to do some work with IBHE on these matters. That certainly seems like an indication that the investigations are valued by the state's higher education system. Further, the meeting I had with the UIUC Provost several weeks ago reinforced this. The good stuff's even been put into writing.

I wonder if I am really that high on SRU's list of people-to-be-shunned: they are probably concerned about the effects of recent articles in the Spokane and Rochester papers, and wondering what will happen if the reporters uncover connections between the Inland Northwest and Upstate New York centers of effort. And whatever might happen if a reporter carrying documents obtained through a FOIA request sits down with the pair of Charges d'Affaires at the Liberian Embassy?

Perhaps a sense of loyalty to their war-torn country would move the two men to tell a true, and consistent story which did not contradict the public record. Generation of international good will towards Liberia might be felt to be a more important goal than whatever personal ends might be accomplished with a less-than-accurate account of recent history.

As it is, there are all these odd matters that are now in the public record: the insistence that IAU/UNESCO recognizes them, the unusual faculty photos, the surprising (and rapid) changes in listed credentials of senior administrative officials, the business of awarding AA degrees for worse-than-random-guessing performance on exams.

So they might have a lot more pressing concerns than me. As "Daniel Taylor, PhD, MD, President, American Coastline University" wrote to me last August (the underlines are his)

Mr. Taylor has twice as many doctoral degrees as I do, so his views carry some weight. It would seem that SRU should put its energies into worrying about other matters.

George

 

Thanks, George

for the informative reply. I've been following this story, at least to the extent I have the time to do so, since it opened up a few weeks (or was it months?) ago. Also have seen the articles in the Chronicle supporting you, and asserting the right of academic freedom, public service, etc.

Good to hear that UIUC and the State of Illinois is not turning their backs on you. Keep up the good work - your years of training and experience in research projects have served all of us very well now that those skills have been turned towards the diploma mills and their web trails....

Happy holidays!

 

Re: Enjoying the discussion...

No disrespect to Carl intended but we should never confuse education and DL with the scam businesses called degree mills. Even the few degree mills that require a small fraction of the work like Kennedy-Western University seem to spend their more important energies tricking and deceiving rather than on education.

 

Perhaps you should ask to be a moderator so that you can then more easily squelch the truth when it is mentioned that you're an academic fraud?

 

As usual Bill, you have drifted aimlessly off the Thread and into your usual personal abuse mode.
You are the real academic fraud and you have made absolutely no contribution to this Thread at all. I suspect you haven't even read the article by Hedtkamp. But, afterall I do remember you being referred to on one DL discussion group as a 'comedian' or was that a 'comedienne?'. Laugh a minute anyway.
Dr Anatidae

 

Having a few minutes to kill before Xmas dinner I thought I'd do a google search on Bill Huffman. The world-wide google came up with only two results - both related to DegreeInfo posts. So I thought I'd do an AED Google search. This produced 37,300 results in 0.11 seconds.
I'm not going to attempt to recite the shocking stories outlined in the 37,300 results, but I will say that the exploits of Bill Huffman, going back to 1996, make very revealing reading. His blind obsession with personally abusing everyone with a view contrary to his is revealed - in explicit detail.
Dr Anatidae

 

The best thing about Hayes is that you don't really have to argue with him, he self-destructs and makes himself look bad by posting nasty comments such as his last two shots a Bill. Let me give you a piece of advice Hayes . . . find yourself a duck forum where you might enjoy a modicum of respectability. Here you're just another degree mill scam victim whose ego won't allow him to face reality. It's sad when you think about it.

Jack

 

Considering Jack's degrees (including one from Harvard) are legitimate beyond question, you should probably re-think that position.

 

Obviously Jack has a Harvard law degree! But so did Frank!
Whatever degree he has his experience in industry, DL, and life, is obviously very limited - otherwise he would not be so incredibly rude.
It's quite amusing to see Jack & J/Bill getting upset when they get a bit of stick. So far neither of them have made any contribution to this thread; which was supposed to be about 'accreditation'.
Even I've got side-tracked into wading through the most interesting 37,000 AED results!
Dr Anatidae

 

No, not a law degree, but Jack did earn a Harvard degree. Since you're the one that wanted to compare qualifications, do you have anything that matches up with that?

 

Bruce, Can you please define for me what you believe the word 'qualification' means? Do you believe it means - having a university degree, a university degree without experience? professional qualifications with years of practical experience and a wealth of knowledge? a university degree coupled with professional qualifications and wide experience? no tertiary qualifications but years of practical experience in a particular field and well qualified to do the job?
I mentioned in another post that my mentor in mechanical engineering had no formal qualifications of any sort - he left school at 14 - but everyone looked on him as a genius, which he was, and he was the most respected person in the Comany.
Dr Anatidae

 

Bruce, Can you please define for me what you believe the word 'qualification' means? Do you believe it means - having a university degree, a university degree without experience? professional qualifications with years of practical experience and a wealth of knowledge? a university degree coupled with professional qualifications and wide experience? no tertiary qualifications but years of practical experience in a particular field and well qualified to do the job?
I mentioned in another post that my mentor in mechanical engineering had no formal qualifications of any sort - he left school at 14 - but everyone looked on him as a genius, which he was, and he was the most respected person in the Comany.
Dr Anatidae

 

My dear Dr. Anatidae, I am pleased in your interest in my posting habits. Just to try to set the record straight. I posted most recently about your personal attacks against Jack and you making reference to your old personal attacks against Gus because I hoped to redirect you toward the truth and reality of the situation.

I've stated multiple times that the truth of the situation is that you are in fact an academic fraud. You claim to have taken the path of fraud for altruistic reasons, for the good of the ducks. I am even willing to grant you the self-delusional truth of this position but the fact still remains that you're an academic fraud and I believe that it is unwise for you to continue this fraud for the good of the ducks, if for no other reason.

This in no way shape or form should be interpretted as my feeling any personal animosity towards you because I don't harbor any feelings like that. I picture you as a relatively harmless man that is both a victim and a co-conspirator in your own academic fraud that has convinced himself that it was done for the good of the ducks. You rarely try to convince others to follow your path of ethical corruption. However, when prodded with the truth you can't seem to resist lashing back. Again I only bother bringing up the truth of your fraud when you go into your attack mode.

If you would like to discuss any details about accreditation that were brought up by the academic fraud that wrote that article then please feel free to make the point in this thread and I'll do my best in trying to respond to it.

 

Yet another display of meaningless, spurious and rude words Bill.
All very reminiscent of the stuff you dished out to Derek!
But I, and many others, would like to know why you believe the accreditation articles by Hedtkamp and Bob Jones III have no
validity.
If you really believe that all RA Accredited tertiary DL organisations are equal and above reproach, and that all are superior to all unaccredited DL organisations, then you are obviously suffering from a severe dose of what we call the 'Ostrich approach', or the 'Ostrich disease'.
The simple fact of life is that there are a number of unaccredited DL educational organisations that continue to produce people far more knowledgable, and far more useful to society, than many of the RA accredited DL organisations. Such unaccredited organisations will continue to grow (as I mentioned about KWU
in another post), irrespective of your thoughts (and abuse) about
such groups.
When I was employed on-campus at NZ's leading DL facility (for 24 years) I had first hand experience of accreditation, and from reading Hedtkamp's article I can say that the accreditation system in NZ is much the same as it is in the USA.
During this period ICS, BIET and Stotts College, which were all unaccredited commercial groups, flurished extremely well and their qualifications were widely accepted in commerce and industry.
Today, the totally independent NZ Institute of Management continues to expand its courses and membership and a NZIM qualification is held in high esteem. Yet the majority of its courses are unaccredited, but still have very real value to the student and to society.
Dr Anatidae

 

Just a happy note to hopefully make everybody smile (and to show what a geek I am to think this).....

Since I get lost in the politics of the board, I think we should make an "network org chart" for the members. (For those who may not major in Business) a network org chart is something a business person can put together to see who the real decision makers are and the relationships between the personnel in an organization. It is very interesting to do at your employment, I never realied the different aspects of an organization.

Here- This would help me, if everybody would sign up, then I coudl try to keep straiht who has flamed who, been burned by someone, who called who a name, who likes who, etc.

 

"Having a few minutes to kill before Xmas dinner"

<SNIP>

"I'm not going to attempt to recite the shocking
stories outlined in the 37,300 results,"

Dear Dr. Spin,

WOW ... do all degree mills like yours teach how
to 'speed read' like you are claiming above ...

Let's see now 37,300 divided by "a few minutes" = ???

Me thinks everyone understands your agenda here.

Thanks for providing at best, some holiday humor, and
at worse another failed attempt to try and convince others
of any real value or quality in a 'Trinity degree'.

Happy Holidays,

Billy

 

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I'm puzzled about the basing of your opinion re higher education on the practices of BJU.

I read what I think is your referent , the Jones' article, off the BJU website, and would not expect that the premise for his conclusion on accreditation is yours. His argument is religious. Jones says that God in 2 Corinthians 6:14 tells BJU to avoid accreditation. This I think is a misuse of the text. But is that your premise too? God tells you to?

I also wonder, as you cite BJU so frequently, whether you followed their lead in getting your doc. BJU for the PhD requires 96-100 grad sem hours and gives only 3 hrs of credit for the dissertation. The rest is coursework. So, as you so value BJU standards so highly, is that also how you got your doc?

 

Bill
Tried to post yesterday, but the system was not working well. Then this morning I received twelve notices from DegreeInfo, which indicated you had posted seven times on this subject. So it
seems that others were also having problems?
But I seem to recall that your post yesterday said something quite different to the one that appeared this morning. The one I read yesterday was quite rude (very unlike Bill Grover?) and in
my reply, which seemingly didn't arrive, I asked if you had read any of the 250,000+ words that I'd written about brown teal. Should you be interested I'd be happy to email some of my work
to you.
I cited BJU simply because it is one of the few unaccredited universities that appears to have a reasonable level of respect in the USA.
Apart from having the western action alias of THE VERY REVEREND DR HAYES, and my main claim to fame in this arena is that I helped marry a couple of western action shooters at our
World Champs last year, I don't have any major religious affiliations.
As for Billy, his post is not worthy of a reply.
Dr Anatidae