Accreditation

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by fnhayes, Dec 23, 2003.

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  1. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

  2. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

    Sorry,
    Obviously great minds were in action at the same time - Carl had just posted the same info in the 'unaccredited' forum.
    Dr Anatidae:)
     
  3. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    I believe I'm correct in saying that no one has ever seen both
    Carl and you in the same room together, no? :rolleyes:
    Jack
     
  4. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    With all due respect to Carl, I've decided to post my response(s) in this thread. A short google search revealed the following web site:
    http://www.lulu.com/content/18977
    Ron Hedtkamp is very clear about listing his Bachelors degree from Biola and his USAF experience yet he mysteriously fails to mention the schools from which he received his Masters and Doctoral degrees? GIVE ME A BREAK!!! AFAIC, the Duckman, who holds a bogus PhD himself, is complicit in perpetuating this fraud with his neutral post.
    Jack
     
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  5. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

    Apart from the fact that, like myself, Carl always writes intelligent, lucid, meaningful, but occasionally provocative posts, I know nothing at all about Carl.
    Dr Anatidae:)
     
  6. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

    Jack,
    Your response was pretty much as expected, but you obviously have no understanding of what the word 'bogus' actually means. I'm pretty confident that my qualifications and experience would be somewhat superior to your own.
    Dr Anatidae:)
     
  7. Andy Borchers

    Andy Borchers New Member

    I commented on this posting in Lulu. On the whole, I find the author's perspective to be pretty biased and full of assumptions (such as what constitutes a "good school").

    Regards - andy

     
  8. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Of course, this begs the question...qualifications and experience toward what? I have never claimed to be a PhD. I never claimed to know anything about ducks. My own degrees are beyond reproach. You are comparing apples and road apples. You continue to refer to yourself with that "PhD" nomenclature despite the unfortunate origin of that credential. I have never criticized your research, it's probably quite good, but your degree is bogus (counterfeit, fake, not genuine, spurious, ficticious, sham, having a misleading appearance) from dictionary.com You may maintain that your "qualifications" and experience are exemplary and I wouldn't argue with that (depending on your definition of 'qualification' (it's a word that's sometimes used as a synonym for "degree") but AFAIK your degree means next to nothing. BTW, you started this thread and stated yourself that my response is "pretty much as expected." Don't whine now.
    Jack
     
  9. Oherra

    Oherra New Member

    What??? Why didn't someone tell me this sooner :D .

    I want my Christmas Doctorate from John Bear!

    Being the recognized degree expert that he is, do you think he should charge more for doctorates with his personal signature affixed to them?
     
  10. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    Just so we don't get distracted away from the original focus . . .
    Mr. Ronald Hedtkamp, who wrote:
    "...I just completed my MBA in July, 2003 and just completed my dissertation for my PhD in Government and DBA in Management in November, 2003."
    I'd say that earning two doctoral degrees in 4 months is pretty impressive by any standard :rolleyes:
    This makes it even harder to understand why his modesty would prevent him from even mentioning his grad school endeavors in his Biola alumni update:
    http://www.biola.edu/admin/alumni/classes.cfm?az=H
    Still no mention of the origin of these alleged degrees. It's so surprising that someone would be out there trying to hype a book yet fail to mention their "particulars." Maybe he's smarter than I've imagined. Maybe he's one of those people who said to themselves, "Why pay someone good money when I can print the diploma myself?" Previously, I didn't care about Hayes' degree but now he's pumping some other degree mill perp. Do you know where this guys bought his degrees duckman? If the answer is "No" then you'd better think twice before you continue to promote his work. You know the old saying, "Birds of a feather..."
     
  11. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

    In response, all I can say Jack is that the moderators need to seriously question whether you should be a member! 99% of everthing you have ever posted should have been moderated and eliminated.
    My posting of the URL was designed to emanate serious debate. But, once again, you have decided that you know everything there is to know about DL (without really knowing anything).
    Suggest you join AED on a permanent basis, where they welcome the kind of personal abuse you are extremely good at providing.
    Dr Anatidae
     
  12. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    In response, all I can say duckman is that you have posted a link to an article related to American accreditation. The author of this article is so embarrassed by his graduate degrees that not only does he refuse to state the origin of his MBA, he refuses to even acknowledge the two (2) doctoral degees he's claimed (on another web site). You state that your promotion of this article "was designed to emanate serious debate." I believe, in view of the content of the article, that your aim was to further advance your own cause by inserting the views of Mr. Hedtkamp as well as Mr. Hedtkamp himself into the degree mill vs. unaccredited vs. accredited debate. If Mr. Hedtkamp could be accepted as an authority in this debate then this would constitute a minor victory for you and others who hold, shall we say, tarnished degrees? The reason for this is that he has no expertise, can show no objective body of research, and in general, has no business posing an an expert in these matters. This is a guy who spent his whole career working for the Air Force (no problem there) but then he decided that he desreved a handful of grad degrees so he went out and bought them. He won't even say what school issued them. He has written an article on accreditation that is clearly self-serving (and serves you well too) and you submit this article for serious debate. Well, the author has to pass muster before the article is considered and the author is found wanting (by me at least). If you want to submit this article, along with the author, as being representative of your views then you will take whatever heat comes your way as a result. I told you not to whine (but you just couldn't stop yourself) Do your homework duckboy and you won't get embarrassed.
    Jack
     
  13. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

    Jack, What you have recited could apply to any number of DegreeInfo members who refuse to tell us what there background is or where their qualifications came from; including a number who believe that your American RA system is the "be-all-and-end-all" of distance learning. To many who have experienced 'traditional' and 'non-traditional' DL your 'tunnel-vision' displays a low level of understanding of distance learning on the world scene. Summed up quite nicely in the URL.
    Who in fact really cares what the author's degrees are or where
    they came from? Most are interested in what he had to say about
    accreditation.
    Merry Xmas to all.
    Dr Anatidae:)
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This "article" is nothing more than a poorly written, non-refereed opinion piece filled with hyperbole. With Jack's discoveries regarding its author, it does appear self-serving.

    BTW, I hold 6 degrees, all from regionally accredited colleges and universities. No secret credentials here.
     
  15. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    What are the other two?
     
  16. obecve

    obecve New Member

    I have read the article and find it to be lacking. It is much like an undergraduate trying to write a term paper and be an expert, without actually citing sources, compiling research to support the points, and then reciting everything as fact rather than opinion. Stating that you are an expert does not make you one. The article is full of half truths. It cannot be taken seriously. The author "gives himself away" when he makes personal attacks on "self proclaimed " distance expert Dr. Bear. Interestingly it is not self proclaimed, check in with the FBI and other government resources, I believe they consider him an expert as well. Please note my academic credentials are clearly listed.
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The author of that article is an academic fraud just like you are, Dr. Anatidae. He spews the same academic fraud nonsense that has been addressed here time and time again.

    Regarding your statements about people here not giving details on their academic background, it has been explained to you over and over but apparently is beyond your comprehension. However, I'm trying to learn to be more patient so I'll attempt to explain it again. Your fellow academic fraud that wrote the article is trying to use his degree to bolster his argument. In that situation it is necessary and fair to name the particulars of one's degree. The person(s) that you refer to on this forum does not use his degree to try and support his argument. Therefore the particulars of his degree remain a personal issue.

    Merry Christmas to all
     
  18. Bill Grover

    Bill Grover New Member

     
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Constitutional arguments like this one give me hives. I can think, EASILY, of two solid legal justifications for mandatory federal standards in higher education. We don't have it because Congress doesn't want to do it, not because Congress CAN'T do it.
     
  20. Enjoying the discussion...

    Yes, we are in the same room at the same time.... amazing!

    I'm enjoying the discussion that this "article" has generated. Just to set the record straight, this came to me in a junk email from Almeda "College and University", hardly a disinterested source!

    Also, to set the record straight, here are my own academic credentials:

    BS - University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point

    post-graduate business courses - University of Wisconsin Graduate School of Business

    MBA (in progress) - Amberton University (I'm hoping I can finally finish the thing either this year or next with a DL format that is job and family friendly)

    Just to add another element to the discussion, seems like the SRU folks have decided our own George Gollin is now public enemy #1. In my humble opinion, all George has done is ask some very pointed questions with a touch of his own inimicable sarcasm added for good measure. The SRU folks should be able to clear all his concerns up by simply opening up their books - to our Department of Education (Federal), to our IRS, to each and every SRU student, and to Dr. Gollin himself. This, of course, they will not do although they will claim that Dr. Gollin and Contreras from ODA refuse to contact the correct embassy officials in the new Liberian government. Seems the burden of proof is on SRU, not on Dr. Gollin who is simply performing admirable research, generating some probing questions, and revealing inconsistencies whenever and wherever he can.

    As I've said before, I am enjoying this spectacle to no end. I admit I was tempted by SRU at one time, before I fully understood the depths to which education and DL have plunged in search of the almighty dollar. I've followed the organization for quite some time and have seen them move from Dominica to Liberia, then rewrite history to make it seem like they were "always" from Liberia. The last step in this dance has been the addition of the "Liberian nationals" as executives and faculty members.

    Oh well.

    In the meantime, I will stay tuned for another iteration of the battle between SRU, Dr. Gollin, the academic community as a whole, the national and regional accreditors, and the response of Dr. Gollin's institution - the University of Illinois at Champaign/Urbana, certainly one of the finest institutions in the US. (I was disappointed that some of the administration there, whom I know on a passing basis, refused to back him more than they did).

    Excuse the rambling, but it is Christmas Eve, and my posts are not as "lucid" as they normally are! ;)
     

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