Accepted Into The Phd Program At Argosy

Thanks for your thoughts. Although well accepted, and well respected you should know, just for informational purposes, that Argosy does not require the Comprehensive Exam (which is one of the reasons I decided to enroll). Further, the dissertation may be satisfied with a few extra courses, therefore, the dissertation in and of itself is not manditory.

 

LadyExecutive How is this possible? Everything I have seen on Argosy requires both a Comprehensie Exam and a Dissertation. Who can I talk to there to confirm this, as I was considering Argosy?

Rich

 

Interesting. Perhaps they should update thier website then:

http://www.argosyu.edu/sarasota/programdegrees.asp?plid=172

Graduation Requirements

* Satisfactory completion of 60 semester credit hours beyond the master's degree, including 45 credit hours of coursework and 15 credit hours of dissertation.
* A grade point average of 3.0 or higher (on a scale of 4.0)
* Satisfactory performance on the Comprehensive Examination
* Successful completion and defense of the dissertation
* Completion of these requirements within seven years of
matriculation into the program
* A completed Petition to Graduate submitted to campus administration

 

There are a few programs out there that will waive the written comprensive exam, provided you maintain a minumum GPA (usually a 3.75 or 3.8). In thoses cases, you still have to do a formal dissertation proposal (i.e. the oral quals) before you are considerd a candidate.

 

There was quite a lot of critiquing of Lady Executive's claims. But y'all missed a few items . . .

First, Barry University does not offer a bachelor's in "Professional Administration." You will not find the word administration on their list of undergrad majors at all.

Second, neither Barry nor California U. of Pa. offer a B.Sc. or M.Sc. They both specifically use the abbreviations B.S. and M.S.

Finally, Lady conveniently uses the abbreviation Argosy/Sarasota - the only school that she abbreviates rather than spells out. This implies the University of Sarasota, which Argosy bought several years ago. And the proper way to reference it would be Argosy University (Sarasota).

Lady did, indeed, use the term Ph.D. to start this thread, and obviously changed the reference to her credentials - and the doctoral reference is still incorrect. Moreover, she is not a doctoral student of any type - she has merely been accepted; she has not yet matriculated.

Think about it . . . for the old timers here, does this remind you of another "lady executive" from Florida of a few years ago who couldn't quite get her claims correct . . . a certain "Queen of the Internet?" We may have another S.D. in the making.

 

I am not disputing what you are saying a candidate is or isn't. I structured my response to show you that I can engage in constructive criticisms. With that said, please do not take my going back and forth with you as anything other than to show that apparently either I misunderstood the information that I have in front of me from Argosy/Sarasota or that they have provided me with incorrect information.

I have in front of me, a list of classes and requirements for the EdD degree at Argosy/Sarasota. There is no comprehensive exam on that list. I specifically spoke with Melissa and the new student director and selected my classes to begin March 1, neither mentioned anything about a comprehensive exam. Melissa did tell me that credits towards the dissertation may be had by taking a few extra classes. I took that to mean exactly as she says (that if I took a few extra classes/seminars approved by the Dean, that it would take the place of the dissertation. I will email her again today to confirm and then post her response here.

Thanks for your thoughts...

 

As much as I am dreading the comps and the dissertation, I really would not want a doctoral program without one. These experiences are what make the doctorate different (and more challenging) than the master’s. IMO a program without a dissertation or publishing requirement isn’t a real doctoral program. That is what I would call a master’s degree.

As for what Argosy requires; I would not assume that the comps and the dissertation are not required unless I got it from them in writing. Like edowave mentioned, there are some doctoral programs that do not require the comps or a dissertation but these programs are not common. Most doctoral programs that do not require a dissertation do require some sort of publishing requirement for graduation. And, if getting published in a professional journal is as challenging as it appears, then the experience of getting published a couple times to satisfy graduation requirements can be just as challenging as the dissertation itself.

 

Please do not suggest that I am lying or misleading anyone. I have been a member of this group for a long time now and I have enjoyed my stay here, but your post is very disturbing. I do not know if that is your intention or not but I have no reasons to lie about my credentials. If I have written something the incorrect way - then tell me so that I can make amends but to suggest that I am being fraudulent about my education is extremely upsetting.

Barry does offer bachelors degree in Professional Administration. If you'd like, I can go to Kinkos and have my transcript scanned and post it where you can see it. Until such time, regarding Barry, you might find this bit of information helpful:

Bachelor of Science

The program of study, while addressing a broad range of organizational principles and practices, also allows for individualized emphasis in areas such as Human Resource Administration, Health Services Administration, Public Administration, Information Technology, Legal Studies, Organizational Leadership or Network Administration.

The objectives of the BS in Professional Administration degree are:

to provide students with a comprehensive foundation in administrative theory and practice relevant to all organizations, whether private, public or non-profit
to meet the needs of adult learners by developing the administrative knowledge, skill and abilities that are associated with success in today’s organizations
to meet the needs of employers by preparing adult learners to meet the challenging, complex and continually evolving environment of modern organizational workplaces
to instill in adult learners a desire for lifelong learning and to validate previous learning through experiential portfolio credit
to deliver the program in a format that allows for flexibility while maintaining academic integrity

I was under the impresssion that a B.S is a Bachelor of Science and a B.Sc is also a Bachelor of Science. Is there a difference? If there is let me know and I can make the necessary changes to my signature line.

I use Argosy/Sarasota because everytime I receive an email from Argosy/Sarasota that is how they have it written in their signature line. If you'd like to see an email of that, I can also post that to they group.

Regarging my Masters degree. The exact way it is written is, "Masters of Science, Legal Studies: Law and Public Policy" (www.CUP.edu), however there is not enough space in the signature line for me to write all of the exact name of the degree so I contracted it to M.Sc. Now sure why I am being drawn and quartered for doing that but if I need to fix it, I would.

Infact, the only reason I included my degrees (and impending degree) in my signature line at all, is that a poster may be searching for a program/degree and may be interested in knowing more about one of the programs or institutions that I have attended.

You may be as picky as you want to be - I haven't lied and I do have my credentials in front of me and would be more than happy to post them to the group.

I am from Florida and I have no idea of what you mean about not having my claims right. You may feel free to say what they are and give me the opportunity to defend myself rather than make claims yourself. I don't know why I would have to feel that I need to defend myself here anyway but since I apparently do, then at least give me the opportunity to do so. Until today, I thought I was among friends and to be honest, I regret posting my thanks.

Just so you'd know, I didn't think anyone, except you, was being critical of my post, in a negative way. Which was why I went back and changed my signature line. I respected what was said earlier. I did question endowave. he provided an intelligent response and I saw his point. I took your post to be rather rude - if you were not being negatively critical then you should have sent a private email to me asking me to amend my signature line.

Don't know what you mean by "Queen of the Internet" or SD, sorry.

Thanks,

 

What is the title of this thread?


Isn't it "Accepted Into The Phd Program At Argosy"

I also stated that you are not a candidate yet.

 

Abner:

It's actually a bad point...

The title of this, which Ladyexecutive started, is Accepted Into The Phd Program At Argosy". Isn't it?

I also stated that she is not a candidate yet. There is a difference between a doctoral student and a doctoral candidate

Thanks.

 

Levicoff

A couple other points.

This implies the University of Sarasota, which Argosy bought several years ago. And the proper way to reference it would be Argosy University (Sarasota).[/

(1) I suggest you send an email to Argosy letting them know the proper way to write their name since they themselves use Argosy/Sarasota. You may be correct, but below is the signature line from one of their emails to me. I've cut and pasted it here. I can forward you the exact email so you can see that I haven't 'doctored' it any at all.

Associate Director of Admissions

Argosy University/Sarasota

5250 17th Street Sarasota , FL 34235

800-331-5995

941-379-0404

941-379-5964 FAX

(2) Lady did, indeed, use the term Ph.D. to start this thread, and obviously changed the reference to her credentials.

Yes, I did use it to start the thread. Have you read the post following the thread though? I changed the reference because a kind gentleman mentioned it to me and what he said made sense. I didn't know that there was such a notable difference. When I became aware, I made amends, I went back, corrected it and moved on. If there is a way that I can change the signature line please let me know and I'll happily comply since I have obviously committed a huge sin from your perspective.


(3) Moreover, she is not a doctoral student of any type - she has merely been accepted; she has not yet matriculated.

Everyone here knows that I just got accepted because I received quite a bit of help from this group deciding. Not sure where you were in the process but I wasn't trying to purport anything other than the fact that I was accepted into Argosy/Sarasota. I have actually signed up for my courses but they won't begin until March 1. Should I also include that in my signature line?

ma·tric·u·late /v. məˈtrɪkyəˌleɪt; n. məˈtrɪkyəlɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[v. muh-trik-yuh-leyt; n. muh-trik-yuh-lit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -lat·ed, -lat·ing, noun
–verb (used with object) 1. to enroll in a college or university as a candidate for a degree.


I have registered:

Please print out this email, and keep this email as a reference. Please ensure that your books arrive in a timely manner, and complete the DEMO for the virtual classroom. Check your email regularly.

You have been registered for the following classes:

L7432 Professional Development in Organizational Leadership Sarasota Online online 3/1-6/14
L7131 Human Resource Management Sarasota Online online 5/7-8/18
L7452 Leadership and Ethics Blended Residential J online 5/7-8/18

The above schedule you registered for over the phone, however after further consideration, I wanted to make you aware of the following residential courses that are available, in lieu of L7452 during the blended residential J section or in lieu of L7131 Human Resource Management, listed above, since your children are out of school and you may be able to spend more time in Sarasota compared to the fall and spring. You may also simply add another class if you have the time to devote to the program.

W1 SUMMER WEEKEND A June 15-17 & June 22-24, 2007
Friday 5-9, Sat. 8-5, Sun 8-3. Two consecutive weekends
L7438 Team Management

I3 SUMMER INTERSESSION 3 June 18-22, 2007
Mon – Thurs 8-5, Fri 8-noon
L7900 Conflict Management

W2 SUMMER WEEKEND B July 6-8 & July 13-15, 2007
Friday 5-9, Sat. 8-5, Sun 8-3. Two consecutive weekends
L7451 Leading Through & Beyond Change

I6 SUMMER INTERSESSION 6 July 9-13, 2007
Mon – Thurs 8-5, Fri 8-noon
L7452 Leadership & Ethics

All of the above classes are required by your program and excellent first semester choices, so if you’d like to make a change to your schedule, please let me know.

(4) B.Sc/B.S. M.Sc/M.S:

The Master of Science degree usually is abbreviated MS in the USA and MSc in British Commonwealth nations.

I had no hidden motive for writing it the way I did. The post was about thanking everyone who helped and not to determine whether I knew how to abbreviate correctly or not.

 

Shay, Shay, Shay . . .

Am I being critical? Of course. Get used to it. We're a bunch of bourgeois academic snobs here. Who recognize (especially when it comes to distance education) that accuracy is everything in representation.

My comment about Barry is based on their complete list of undergraduate majors, which appears here - the list does not include any reference to any type of administration major.

Frankly, I liked the fact that you hold a master's from CUP - it's a fine school, and I wasn't aware that they had so many online offerings. I'd recommend CUP to anyone without hesitation.

But to return to the purpose of your original post, here's a little constructive feedback. I happen to be prejudiced against proprietary universities - that's a subjective opinion on my part which is not open to debate. The closest I ever came to supporting a profit-making university, however, was the University of Sarasota (now, as you put it, Argosy/Sarasota). Their doctoral programs are very well designed, they include what I have always maintained is the most important quality for a good doctoral program (a number of experiences in residence - I consider any doctoral program without at least one residency experience to be mickey-mouse), and the seminar experiences at Sarasota are, from what I have heard, quite outstanding. In other words, chill out - you've actually made a great choice.

(Another note for the old-timers here - a certain DI member of one time that we'll call "Dennis H." earned his D.B.A. in International Business from U. Sarasota right before the name change and spoke highly of his experiences there.)

By the way, minor point, but if you're going to be consistent, add some periods to the last bio line - "Ed.D." Argosy has it wrong on their list of degrees (which is here), you've actually got your list right except for the "EdD" reference. And, for what it's worth, B.Sc. and M.Sc. are still used by a few institutions in the States (as are the older A.B. and A.M.), but it's generally considered more of a European form. And pompous academics like us (and ex-academics like me) strive for accuracy in form.

Past that point, the only thing that offends me about you is your name, Lady Executive. It's 2007. If you're as good at what you do as I think you are, you're an executive - period.

As for the reference to the "Queen of the Internet" . . . well, it's probably better that you don't know.

 

Once again, good luck to you Lady Executive. You will do great! The important thing here is you have found a program that suits your needs, and are doing something positive to better yourself, and your family. Good for you.


Abner

 

I've sent an email to Melissa to confirm what she said to me regarding the dissertation and the comprehensive exam. As soon as I get a response from her, I'll let you know.

Thanks,

 

Good point. I'm checking up on it as we speak. Thanks again!

 

Ike:

Really, the email was to thank those who helped. If I knew that I was being tested or graded I would have stopped and dotted my I's and crossed my T's. Honestly, I wish I could go back and undo the mistake. The system does not allow one to go back and make changes to the title of the post. Why don't you do it. I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it!!!! I am not a candidate yet - check my signature line - I fixed that, because I am able to make changes to my signature line. But trust me...I get it! How else can I say it? Trust me, I am going to be extremely careful the next time, if there is a next time, I ever post anything to this group. I understand that some people miss the essence of posts and prefer instead, to grade them for grammitical errors, punctuation, etc. I get it!

 

The Professional Administration BS, BPS is given at the Barry University's School of Adult and Continuing Education

http://www.barry.edu/ace/default.asp

Barry U's Business programs are AACSB accredited but since the Professional Administration degree is under ACE it is not. Or so i was told.

 

Abner: Thank you. Your post could not have come at a better time. I am so disgusted and disappointed. I came to the group, like I always have and people whose opinion I trust, here, who always seem to help those like me, trying to get it right, jumped in like troopers to help me. I felt really inspired, so inspired that I returned to thank them. People like you, SteveForester, Endo, Bruce and many others, always seem to find time to help people trying to find themselves through the educational maze. You have no idea the pressure I was under and how confused I was with the litany of information that I had waded through. I came back to thank everyone. I was touched that those who always helped, swooped in and helped me again. You might have noticed that I posted many times to the group in recent months. Each time, the same people took time out of their busy schedules to help. This was what prompted me to say thanks.

Before now, I never had a signature line. I decided to follow others, and included mine since I've had people email and ask me about programs. I had no idea, I would be drawn and quartered because I wrote M.S rather than M.Sc or that my signature line said PhD but I was enrolled in an EdD or that I was the LadyExecutive from Florida who couldn't get her credentials straight or that Barry didn't have a Bachelors degree in Public Administration - all I wanted to do was say thanks, sheesh!!!

Don't get me wrong, I have the ability tell when someone is being helpful (like Endo and Steve and others who corrected me on the candidate and the Ed.D (student) etc.), Sure I am happy to be made aware of errors, but when the email was being nasty, and I took it to be nasty when someone implies that Barry does not offer a Professional Administration undergrad degree when I know I have one, I take offense. I had no idea I would be beaten into the ground about not being a candidate and being a student and so on and so forth. Wow!!! Is all I can say. Just wow!!!

 

If you can change the title of the thread to Ed.D, then consider this post as my full authority to do so. If not, then I'm afraid neither of us can do anything more than what I have already done to make amends. Since I am being graded, you can give me an "F' grade for not doing it exactly the way I was supposed to at the onset. In the meantime, the PhD will have to remain there and those who helped me, will continue to get the idea that I am thankful for their kind assistance.

I could engage in a long drawn out debate with you about semantics but with classes about to begin, I must prepare for them, or I'll never be a 'candidate'. Moreover, I really don't have the time and I am surprised you have the time to go back and forth on what I am and what I am not.