Acceptance of DETC degrees for State/government jobs

Actually, I don't need to make those calls. I have a research study with 267 respondents. I suspect that's a bit more informative--and authoritative--than 10 phone calls.

I appreciate your opinion, as I'm sure everyone else does. But a few assertions supported by the experiences claimed of an anonymous poster might not readily be accepted as fact. I'm sure you understand.

You said:

Problem is, RA schools have programs that are creampuffs. That's why accreditation is pretty well a non-issue unless you need a law degree, architecture degree, or other degree that would cause you to have to sit for licensure (as was pointed out earlier).

Using the word "why" goes far beyond the correlation you say I drew. It infers cause-and-effect, that "cream puff" RA programs make accreditation a non-issue with employers. I asked for support for this assertion. You provided none. That seems to sum it up.

 

Rich,

I would not worry about these attacks. You are one of the reasons why I even visit this board.

All the best,

Fred

 

Mr. Gump:

Please give me even one example where I "slanted" a comment without backing it up. Or is yous "slanted"?

 

~tears open the popcorn bag~

 

I think you mean “yours” not yous.

Three years? Come on, lets be factual, you finished your dissertation in 1999, and that is the body of work you quote.

If you want to whip out our W-2’s, that works for me, my six figures doesn’t start with a 1…

Getting back to my comments, I have tried to enter into dialogs with you before, but you don’t really engage, you just keep repeating.

To quote Bill Huffman (Will Thomas Edison accept DETC credits...?)

 

This is a good example of the dynamics of emotional arguments ...where someone makes a statement not directed at anyone, then a someone else steps in and assails the statement as grossly exaggerated or inaccurate rather than just stating their own point. It's not necessary to destroy another's thought process to make room for your own. Better to just make your point and leave it at that.

 

Rich,
You have selectively edited my post to try to prop up your argument. Let's look at the post in its entirety:

The point was that accreditation may not be the sine qua non of an educational validation for typical, white collar employers.

Okay. Were these hiring professionals? HR directors? People off of the street? What type of statistical analysis did you use? Again, I fear you have failed to read the post, along with its tenor and tone.

By the way, you asked for support for an assertion I did not make. Therefore, I don't feel the urge to provide factual evidence for something I don't believe nor assert

Let's not talk past each other, friend.

 

How nice of you to say. But no worry. The nature of the internet allows for this behavior.

 

That's it? A typo? A Levicoffian "PUHLEEEZE" to you.

 

I know, I know. Ignore your own statements when their illogic is exposed, then bluster your way past. Fine. You've had your say and I mine.

As for the methodology, I've discussed this at great length over the past couple of years. The dissertation itself is available from UMI. There is no reason to debate it with an anonymous person whose qualifications to do so are not evident. You don't have to accept the results, but the people who matter have. So there.

 

So rather than engage in a meaningful dialogue, nah-nah-nah-nah-boo-boo is the best you can come up with?

Whatever. Enjoy yourself.

 

Thanks. I look forward to your future contributions to this discussion board.

 

Hey, when it's the best you can come up with, you go for it.

By the way, can I assume that his six digit income looks like this:

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Tom Nixon

 

Fed and jugador,

Thanks for the insight! I was unaware that there was such a scandal going on at AMU. I do know that AMU had a lot of problems when it first appeared, and service members were not even granted Tuition Assistance for a while, or invited onto bases or educatiion centers, until some legal threats were made by AMU. Now they are let on and are granted TA.

Also, I did not know that thes DHS degrees were looked at so closely. I have seen alot of colleges offering degrees in "Homeland Security Studies" as such, with schools like ODU and UMUC offering them at the bacculeareate level, while ohers like NGS offer Masters degrees.

Fed,

As far as the job description went, if I remember correctly, the description stated the applicant have an accredited Bachelors degree, and DHS found DETC to be unnaceptable for the position. This may have changed, but I know the GySgt was quite upset.

Thank you for the insight!

 

I'm not aware of any scandal at AMU. I graduated from AMU in 2002.

I recently completed my own career transition after retiring from the Navy. My BA, just one element of my portfolio, definitely enhanced my credentials. I was offered several jobs including two within the federal government.

I never had any difficulty having my TA processed. Though my Navy College Office did ensure that I knew the difference between national and regional accreditation.

I have been a constant proponent of AMU's goal of achieving regional accreditation. AMU is rightfully proud of their progress.

A Special Message from the APUS President

http://www.apus.edu/AMU/Resources.aspx?CT=StudentNewsletter&SEC=ThisMonth


BinkWile,

Do you work at a military education center?

 

Just in case there was confusion, the "scandal" was with DHS not AMU. More accurately, with Laura Callahan and her Hamilton degrees. I believe AMU is a candidate for RA status and in good standing.

 

AMU and the Military

I know several junior officers that are doing/have done, their Masters work with AMU with tuition assistance. A few have been "fast tracked" to ACSC as well.

Interesting point... Although the military recognizes DETC degrees for TA and gives officers credit for the degree in their records (in the hunt for Maj and ACSC selection), you need an RA undergrad degree to be commisioned.

Check out AMU alum Donald Vandergriff's book "the path to victory; America's Army and the Revolution in Human Affiars" and read his positive comments about AMU. though he was branded a malcontent and passed over for promotion, he is a fine writer and professor, or so I hear.

 

Our state regulatory agency accepts DETC and any degree accredited by a US DoE or CHEA recognized accrediting agency. But absolutely no UnA (Unaccredited degrees).

North

 

As noted above, the scandal was at DHS with Laura Callahan, not with AMU/APUS.

AMU/APUS is a terrific program. In my recent, um, conversations with them, I was really impressed with their senior leadership, as well as their vision for the school's future. (I've ribbed them about the name, of course.)

Their move to Charles Town, WVA was a smart one, placing them under the jurisdiction of the NCA. They have a visit coming up in October and are hopeful that full accreditation will arise from it.

They moved into this renovated mansion in downtown Charles Town. There is enough space--and more--to house the 60 or so full-time staff on site. (They have more staff--another 60 or so--back in Manassas at their old site.)

(BTW, I happen to know that the dean of faculty development position has recently, um, recently become available again. Seems their other candidate, um, took a different opportunity. Charles Town is nice, and not to far from Leesburg--20 miles--and the Dulles hi-tech corridor--about 35 miles.)