1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I guess her opinion of Bulgarian education is highly subjective ;)
    But I must admit that Business PhDs from former Eastern Bloc does not impress me all that much. ExUSSR, including Ukraine - even less so. We just didn't have much economic thoughl just 15 years ago (with some exceptions - like Russian mathematician who got Nobel Price for I beleive the "linear programming" optimization technique). And recent years were not exactly great in building any serious scientific schools. The fact that every state official of any stature nowadays seem to obtain higher degrees miraculously do not add to the prestige, too.
    Well, at least as much sence as Carribean degrees - and Easters European schools are at least real institutions (excluding IUFS, wich passes itself as Russian university but is not).

    On the strength of a degree alone, no you will not. But apparently, the same is true for Nova.

    Additionally, all this problems apply to business ("economics") education only. I feel that areas like math and hard sciences still hold their water. I'll be duly impressed with sciences PhD from, say, Taras Shevchenko National University of Ukraine, and even more so - from Moscow State, Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology and Novosibirsk State. They may have lost some (a lot) of their research power but still have great tradition and standards.
  2. triggersoft

    triggersoft New Member

    Your are totally right, Stanislav.

    Besides, I do not want to say that there are no legitimate and good schools in the former Eastern block countries, not at all. I am pretty sure there are.

    But, at least in the fields of Business or Econ, they just does not make too much sense for Western Europeans - of course they might pretty well make sense for national residents of these countries...

    I´ve been talking about this topic with my Polish colleaque also, as well as with a Slovenian friend who studies in Austria. They both pursue a "western" education since they say it´s more recognised even in their home countries!

    Just my 2 cents.

  3. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yeah, you're probably right. Business education is just forming, really. Even in Moscow, as far as I can tell, the most respectable MBA schools are those that have agreements with western schools - I know of CSU-Hayward program in Academy of hmmm... National Economy (the name has hard-to-translate Soviet term in it; it is probably the first Russian business school formed by Gorbachev), some programs with German and French schools in the same Academy... Touro has a branch there, wich looks kinda modest but still apparently holds some prestige (they don't even have Russian accreditation for MBA and award TUI diploma).
    I also wonder what's the deal with all those new colleges. Some of them have doctoral programs in subjects probably a handful of people fully comprehend (none of them teaching college). While their coursework has strict standards imposed by accreditation authority, you can't really regulate dissertation standards.
  4. carlosb

    carlosb New Member

    Take a look at:

    Aspiring to Steeples of Excellence at German Universities

    I believe you will need to be a subscriber.



    Just my opinion
  5. triggersoft

    triggersoft New Member

    Re: Re: AACSB vs. RA

    Not too interesting, in my opinion, but moreover totally analogue to everything I am saying - of course, the top tier Ivy League US universities belong to the very, very best in the world. Everybody knows that.
    That´s why the German government is taking those (maybe 25 or so) universities as an example.
    But on the other hand, also true, the vast majroity of the 3,000 US universities is simply below the standard which we (Germans) regard as equivalent to our (standard average) universities (which are by law pretty conform in regards of curricula, knowledge, know-how, content, etc.).
    We unfortunately do not have such great universities as Harvard, MIT, Yale, or Berkeley. We just have around 200 (if you include the polytechnics) universities which are all about the same qualitiy, which would be the 2nd or 3rd tier in the US News system, in my mind). Of course, we have one or two real good faculties in certain areas which do play world standard (e.g. the Fraunhofer guys who invented the .mp3 format), but that´s only certain faculties (departments), never whole universities...

  6. JLV

    JLV Active Member

    I think that ´s prety modest, Trigger. German universities are considered here in Europe to be the best ones in the Union. I also think it is very interesting (and remarkable) that Germany takes those American universities for benchmarking. It is a very wise move. There is no other way to look at, in fact. Here in Holland Engineering Universiites are beginning to try to get their programs approved (or deemed as equivalent) by ABET, another American accrediting organization.

    I also think it is awesome that there is a homogenization of the nomenclature of academic degrees in Europe. Nowadays it is such a mess, and programs like Erasmus (that truly vertebrate the Union and its peoples) lose its charm since it is impossible to discern in advance which school will accept which courses or transfer them back in advance.I am glad that the Ba/Ma systems (as it is called here in the Netherlands) will be used i nthe the EU. Note hoever, that my wife who now wants to validate her foreign degrees has to validate as well that of a British University (the LSE). So I guess it will take some time until We, the Europeans have a single education system...... :p For now, we´ll have our Constitution next year. Greetings.

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