100% coursework PhD online

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  1. paynedaniel

    paynedaniel New Member

    I know I'm asking for alot, but I'm also wondering if there are any online PhDs which consist completely of coursework (i.e. no dissertation). I have an MA in TESOL, and would be interested in a PhD in a related field, but I know I do not have the will power to write a dissertation. Thanks.

    Daniel
     
  2. italiansupernova

    italiansupernova New Member

    I can think of only one which I'm not going to list because the degree has no recognized accreditation and, of course, is banned in Oregon and other states.

    Why do you not want write a dissertation? My alma mater (undergrad) placed heavy emphasis on writing, research, and reports and I didn't think I'd have the willpower, but I wanted a degree so bad that I sucked it up and nailed a 4.0 GPA. If you want an accredited (a.k.a. respectable) doctorate why not just hunker down and get with it.

    I would recommend Northcentral University because you can enroll on a course by course basis so you don't get too overwhelmed by the whole experience. www.ncu.edu
     
  3. DrPuffy

    DrPuffy New Member

    A Ph.D. without a dissertation seems worthless. A great deal of the satisfaction in getting a Ph.D. is knowing you've slugged through the process like everybody else--including the doubt & fear included with producing a dissertation.
     
  4. PaulC

    PaulC Member

    A PhD is research degree. A significant part of the process, aside from increasing knowledge in your domain area, is honing your skills as a researcher and a writer. It would be contrary to the spirit and intent of the degree to waive the predominant instrument that demonstrates just how well you have mastered one of the primary comptencies of the PhD program.

    There are some practioner terminal degrees, such as the Doctor of Management (DM), that may not require a dissertation. I believe Colorado Technical University has such a program.
     
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  5. paynedaniel

    paynedaniel New Member

    re:

    I very much appreciate the replies thus far. I love writing - am just scared about such a project. But I suppose bullet-biting is in my future:) The NCU advice sounds like the best option so far.

    Daniel
     
  6. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    UoP, CTU, UMUC, Nova and a few other schools have a Doctor of Mgt or DBA which does not require a disertation but do require a final project.

    NCU and TUI are the only schools that offer a 100% online PhD - disertation required. I had a great fear of the disertatation (and still do) but I will cross that bridge when I get to it. NCU makes it sound managable with their approach.

    I have always felt that I would not start anything I did not plan to finish. The PhD is different. I am taking one class at a time and I will see how it goes. If I look at the big picture all at once, it is too intimidating.

    Good luck.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    No.

    If you don't have "the will power" to do something, then don't do it.

    A Ph.D. without a dissertation is not a Ph.D.


    "A flute with no holes is not a flute. And a donut with no hole is a danish." Ty Webb
     
  8. Eli

    Eli New Member

    Daniel,

    I cannot imagine a doctoral program without a dissertation. The dissertation is intimidating but an integral part where the student has the chance to contribute to the body of knowledge in his/her area of study. It is the differentiating factor between doctoral programs and other degrees.

    Eli
    Ph.D. Touro University International



     
  9. edowave

    edowave Active Member

    Re: re:

    It's not as horrible as it first seems. There are many books out there that will help get you through the dissertation process.
     
  10. Andy Borchers

    Andy Borchers New Member

    Randall - A minor correction regarding Nova Southeastern. Their DBA program requires a dissertation. Their approach is pretty traditional - you must identify base theory, identify a research problem, develop hypotheses and test the hypotheses empirically.

    Regards - Andy

     
  11. Mike Albrecht

    Mike Albrecht New Member

    A major dissertation amounts to writing 1 page a day for a year. Or (for Jimmy's reference) that is one medium sermon a week (unless you are ELCA whenit would be two long sermons).

    Considering it as a whole it is daunting, but considered as a piecemeal it is managable. I just turned in my draft literature review (80 pages (but as a powerpoint presentation - 160 slides)- Trends in Discrete Event Simulation).
     
  12. stock

    stock New Member

    UMUC has a DM programme and it is not a PHd... pls. do not confuse both
     
  13. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    If you want a doctorate without doing a dissertation, then you would need to look into a first professional degree, such as law (JD), medicine (MD), podiatry (DPM), chiropractic (DC), etc.

    As Rich says, a PhD is a research degree. The purpose of the coursework of a typical PhD program (research design, statistics and the like) is to prepare you to complete a dissertation, which adds to the body of knowledge in a field and allows you to become an acknowledged expert in the subject of your dissertation.

    Since you wish to further your education in TESOL or something related, without doing a dissertation you could have at least two viable options for a post-masters degree:

    1. Consider pursuing a law degree in a TESOL-realted area (3 years of full-time study, rigorous but without a dissertation requirement).
    2. Consider pusuing an educational specialist (Ed.S.) degree. Ed.S. usually requires a couple of years of coursework beyond the masters and does not require a dissertation. Many educaitonal professionals, such as school counselors and administrators, have Ed.S. degrees. It is higher than a masters, but would not allow you to call your self "doctor".
    3. If you had the means, you could donate a large sum of money to a university in exchange for an honorary doctorate. It is not an academic degree, but many folks with honorary doctorates use the title "doctor".

    Tony Pina
    Northeastern Illinois University
     
  14. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    I think Tony's post was a good one. I'd put a bit of a finer point on the subject. There have been a couple of recent threads in which the pros and cons of earning a second Masters degree (as opposed to a PhD) have been discussed. It's possible that the best option for you is to earn a second Masters degree. Areas of interest might include English Lit. or Education. There are numerous DL Masters programs in both areas. It's possible that the second Masters degree could be more valuable than a doctoral degree (in terms of employability). Also, the obvious benefit is the lack of a doctoral dissertation.
    In either case, good luck in your endeavors.
    Jack
     
  15. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Thanks for the correction.
     
  16. tcnixon

    tcnixon Active Member


    If you're wishing to stay in the general area of TESOL, this means you'd be earning a doctorate in:

    a. linguistics/applied linguistics/etc.; or
    b. education; or
    c. English (maybe)

    I am not aware of any programs in those fields that would allow you to earn a doctorate without completing a dissertation. Even if you could, it would be of so little value in the TESOL field as to be meaningless.



    Tom Nixon
     
  17. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I agree with much of what has been noted. The idea behiond a research degree is research and you will have to produce writing of some sort.

    Even the DMin program I am in at American Christian College & Seminary had coursework and an Advanced Research Project which combines research with a practical bent. I am about 130 pages into it so far. I was told to ball park at around 200 pages. And so...I research & type and research & type.... It is just part of the process.

    Good luck!

    North
     
  18. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I guess. I wouldn't know. I don't preach from manuscripts or notes.
     
  19. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I should add that I agree with Jimmy on another thread. If I ever finish this program before the deadline, I will likely not do another program. I want to read what I want...when I want......and not be expected to produce any in depth analysis written and assertions from it (unless I choose to).

    North
     
  20. Messagewriter

    Messagewriter New Member

    Dissertation

    Daniel,

    Traditional programs can be brutal in as much as some folks start their dissertation after the comprehensive exams. Comps take about 5 hours per day studying for 60-90 days or so. But, DL programs have developed a strategy in that the dissertation is eaten like an elephant - one bite at a time. Courses are desgned to align course papers to funnel the research conducted down to support the dissertation. Other courses "heard" learners through the process with the course outcome being the next dissertation milestone. DL programs essentially provide the organization and incremental steps to get your through the process one bite at a time.

    Don't sweat this man but be clear. The KEY is to get a topic early on, align course papers to drive your research in this direction, and build couse papers into a research data base/platform from which you can develop you dissertation. Don't wait till the end to start this dissertation task. Engage it early and take it step by step. It's not that bad.
     

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