NA vs RA In 2020

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  1. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

    The last sentence. True or false?

    “Alternatively, some online schools are accredited by the Distance Education Training Council. The DETC is also recognized by the U.S. Department of Education and the Council for Higher Education Accreditation. DETC accreditation is considered valid by many employers. However, many regionally accredited schools do not accept course credits from DETC-accredited schools, and some employers may be leery of these degrees.”

    Regional Accreditation For Online Schools
    https://www.thoughtco.com/regional-accreditation-for-online-schools-1097947
     
  2. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Both - to some extent. That's "Box D" on the test, I think. :)

    If that article was really written in 2020, then somebody was behind the times. DETC, which got that name in 1994, became DEAC in 2014. And it looks like in 2020, our lot at DI generally thought acceptance of DEAC courses OR degrees was a crapshoot.

    My take: It is dangerous to generalize, with this - but people persist. Get comfortable, get your drink and snack and watch one of the longest-running controversies on DI. :)

    https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/deac-accreditation.53097/
     
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  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    My take (Part 2): It's hard to generalize because not all DEAC degrees or courses are the same. There are standouts, duds and ...um, "run of the mill," I guess. :) . Whatever your choice, if your plan includes where you want them to be acceptable - see what the recipient employers / schools say, first.
     
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  4. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

    Thanks for part 1 and part 2. :)
     
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    You're entirely welcome - always! :)
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    We don't really know. It's been decades since Rich's study on this, and I haven't heard about anyone doing a follow up.
     
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  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    And that's a surprise to me. Since there are so many Ed.D. programs around - both NA (including DEAC) and RA -- I'd have figured it for a likely dissertation topic - this time, for an Ed.D. perhaps. It's due. Rich's excellent work reflected the conditions at the time of his research. This is now.

    Maybe it might come from someone at a DEAC school, this time. :)
     
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  8. Vicki

    Vicki Well-Known Member

    It’s so strange that people still split hairs over this. If you had asked me back in “the day” about RA vs N.A., I would’ve been like “huh?”. Luckily, I went to an RA school, although I wouldn’t have known it at the time. I did recently see that Penn State only accepts credits from RA schools. I am sure there are others.
     
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  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It's an opinion and I can be wrong, but I think the lines between NA vs RA are getting more equal.
    Practically, RA + PA/SA is the gold standard. But I think NA gained some more acceptability.

    There was once a list Dr RD posted, in it, he made some estimates about which sectors are more hits than misses in accepting NA degree.
    Government
    Military
    Academy
    Education
    Industry
    Law
    etc., etc
     
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  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    That's just it. We know the phenomenon still exists, but we don't know to what extent. This, in turn, makes it difficult to assess the odds of it being a problem for any particular student/graduate.
     
  11. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Or not. They might not want to know the answer.

    It's very convenient for people--including DEAC--to act as if all institutional accreditation is comparable. But the reality is that it is not. But as I said in response to Steve, we simply don't know any more to what extent this is true.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    If you mean me, I'd like to read that. Because I have no memory of it and would struggle to make such estimates, except in the most broad terms.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Maybe I should have used the word guessed or something like that.
    It wasn't conclusion, in some cases you indicated, for Military for example - most likely more hits than misses.
    I think more than 15 years passed since that post.

    I see I reported one in 2010

    Rich Douglas posted the following, I copy:

    NA degree acceptance:

    Federal government (civilian)--yes
    Military--yes, usually
    State and local governments--lots of them, yes
    Private (commercial and not-for-profit)--hit-and-miss; I suspect more hits
    Academia (administrative)--hit-and-miss; I suspect more misses
    Academia (faculty)--almost always no
     
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  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I wonder if the line of demarcation lies between "resident" vs "distance" rather than any specific accreditor.

    "Yeah, I got my MBA from Western New Mexico University." "Oh, yeah, my brother got his teaching certificate there. Hey, that sunken Main Street is quite a sight, you know?" "Uh, well, I wouldn't know. I've never been west of Poughkeepsie..."

    A degree with an explanation.
     
  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    In 2024?
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I don't. At all. In fact, I think that line has been blurred beyond existence by the B&M schools themselves.

    The RA schools still make the distinction and, in many cases (how many?) they don't accept credits from schools not accredited by one of the RAs.
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I was thinking more about employers.
     
  18. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    So was I.
     

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