International Education Evaluations and ENEB

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by Mac Juli, Mar 20, 2024.

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  1. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Do they still have that masters for $40 available? I don't recall finding anything for ENEB at that price range.
     
  2. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It is not on their website, it was a deal for people that completed a diploma program with them but only 100 double masters were available. Actually, it was a double masters for 35 euros. I always ignored their 199 deals so I guess they decided to make a 35 euros offer to those of us that never went for their 199 deals.
    The foreign evaluation will cost more than their degree. I got a diploma and never got the printed version because it costs more money to mail and print the diploma than the tuition fees. I also paid like 50 bucks during the pandemic for a diploma in coaching. Their real value is for credit transfer or foreign equivalency for a bachelor or graduate certificate. Excellent choice for adjuncts just looking for 18 credits to qualify to teach another subject.
     
  3. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure that WES being WES wouldn't care at all about people complaining over an evaluation outcome. The 50 question sham is most likely the reason the school got blacklisted, and rightfully so. If they wanted to make a proper exam-based program, all they had to do was put in the minimal work required to create a long exam like some other schools have done. 100 questions per class per degree subject would've been fine and no one would've complained about that.

    I was in a private education chat a few weeks ago, and some people were talking about a few students who've criticized ENEB by sending them disapproving emails about that 50 question nonsense suddenly had their transcripts disappear, and student services go silent on them. If true, it wouldn't surprise me. It never ceases to amaze me the lengths some will go to attack others for rightfully criticizing a bad or unjust decision.

    The 50 question sham is one of the most boneheaded decisions I've seen lately, although I think the Apollos University scandal (which has brought them to ruin) is arguably worse.
     
  4. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member


    Wow... I've enrolled at ENEB and postponed my start date till June 1st. I was waiting to finish all of my courses at ASU Thunderbird School to see how many courses ENEB would accept in transfer if anything. I plan to finish as soon as possible before the school shuts down as we've been discussing ENEB for about 5 years now and I don't think they will be around another 5 the way things are going.

    What was the Apollos University scandal about?
     
  5. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

  6. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    ENEB might split from Isabel soon, I received today an email offering a second degree from Instituto Europeo en Alta Dirección, that based on the look of its website, it seems owned by the same people as ENEB.
    I like the concept mainly because they provide transcripts that are necessary for foreign credit recognition. However, they are abusing the model that is a shame because the concept of a 200 dlls degree is very good in my opinion as long as there is some learning in the process.
    CLEA is copying the ENEB model but their main issue is credibility, the degrees comes from a Spanish University that is registered in Mexico. The Mexican school only has 2 or 3 degrees but they grant degrees in multiple subjects. The don't provide transcripts like ENEB so it makes it hard to evaluate. At some point they were also WES validated but this did not last long. I am not sure if IEE would consider them for graduate certificates but the issue is that they don't provide transcripts so i really dont know how to evaluate them as IEE asks for transcripts.
    The other nice thing of ENEB is that allows credit transfer so one could transfer certificates from other places an consolidate them in a degree.
    Hope they can put their act together and stay in business.
     
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  7. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Ah, you're referring to this, I know exactly what you mean, but I am a student, so I guess they blasted these to specific people, hmm... : Graduate Discounts (ENEB, Walden, etc) (degreeforum.net) - For some reason, I got a second email today as well, I might just get two more just for $30-35 Euro-USD again!
     
  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    IEAD - looks a bit like the famous French business school - INSEAD. But no .... it's more like "INSTEAD" I guess. :)

    I looked at two of the masters, one taught in English, one in Spanish. NOT ENEB-like in pricing -- 3,700 Euro each. One said you get to do a lot of collaboration with, and learning from, people employed in top European companies. Sounds very good.

    This doesn't SOUND like a cookie-cutter ticky-box ENEB thingy. And it's not priced like one. MAYBE, just maybe it ISN'T. :)
    Link here: https://iead.es/
     
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  9. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    IEAD is unaccredited and is certified as a non-state / private approved school so not worth the paper in my opinion.
     
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the heads-up, Dr. Coleman. It seems that Spain, as well as Switzerland, permits private schools to offer degrees that are legal, but of little or no standing. If that MBA was on sale for $40, I could see someone taking it. But 3,700 euro? Absolute no-no.
     
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  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It is an upgrade not the full degree, it came to me as a deal to complete a double masters as I already completed some diplomas with them.
     
  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It is a nice sounding name. MBAs in general because they are a dime a dozen, the minimum to make them worth something is AACSB accreditation. They are some AACSB accredited programs that sell for under 10K so this program makes no sense.
     
  13. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    The IEAD diploma was selling for 190 euros. Most of these schools put very high prices in their website to make it look like they are selling for super low. The reality is that nobody pays the retail price.
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Good to know. Thanks. I had no idea, as 3700 euro was the only price i saw on their site.

    I guess you have to be on their mailing list - which I'm not - to get the deals - and that's OK. I can see someone paying 190 euro for a legal-but-unaccredited degree, if it's what they want. For about the same money, I got 2 or 3 Ralph Lauren shirts, plus a couple of designer watches - an Alfred Sung with an iridescent blue dial, and a Geoffrey Beene - lovely dark-green dial and a minuscule-but-real diamond at 12 o'clock. I'll admit the IEAD grad probably learned more, but... it all depends what you want. :)
     
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    The Minimum? Wow! Only 6% of the World's accredited-or-equivalent MBA programs carry AACSB. Do you consider the other 94% worthless? For example, the RA Hellenic American U. program, which costs only $3,000. I think it's definitely a bargain and far from worthless. Then there's the Quantic U. program - that had very good (and detailed) reviews here. Again, no AACSB. At least one of the grads on DI earned the degree free - zero tuition. Few get into Quantic U. free, but there is a pretty generous scholarship program. I don't see that MBA program as worthless either.

    If AACSB is the minimum, what the heck is the maximum? And yes, I'm aware of (mostly) European "Triple Crown" accreditation -
    AACSB, AMBA and EFMD. About 1% of business schools world-wide have it - including only 3 American schools. Here: https://www.mba.today/guide/triple-accreditation-business-schools

    AACSB is the minimum? If so, that's truly terrifying. :)
     
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  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I mean to have some impact on my CV. There are literally thousands of MBAs, so many people hold them.
     
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    That's sad, because (at least as I see it) 94 out of 100 MBA grads don't have AACSB, with their degrees. A significant number of the 94% would likely be extremely good employees. If employers ignore 94% of applicants holding MBAs for lack of the Magic Letters - they're depriving themselves. Is it really happening in a large percentage of organizations? (I'm hoping the answer is "no.")

    As to dressing a CV for adjunct positions - I wonder if that AACSB barrier would even work? I don't imagine most grads of AACSB schools are looking or applying for adjunct jobs. I think they'd mostly expect to work for a corporation that will pay them from the start, at far better salaries than adjuncts can reasonably expect. No?
     

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