Ed.S. degree for business purposes

Yes, countries have specialist qualifications of various kinds. But you stand no chance of having this evaluated as a doctoral-level degree, or even a Master's degree. If the evaluator is properly looking at official U.S. sources for the classification of educational awards (like the one which I have provided), they will have to come to the conclusion that this is a certificate. If there is some kind of an intermediate post-Master's degree (officially recognized one) somewhere else, you might get a different evaluation, but I doubt it.

 

You need a master's degree for a post-master’s certificate.

 

It's not recognized as a degree in Canada. Per Canada.ca (Gov't). See their blurb below:
Associate degrees are taught, and recognized in British Columbia, not country-wide. But that's it, for exceptions.

Study at a university

• Bachelor's degree: This is the simplest degree offered by Canadian universities. ...
• Master's degree: This is a more advanced degree that usually takes 1 to 3 extra years of study after you get a bachelor's degree.
• Doctoral degree: This is the most advanced degree offered by Canadian universities.

I doubt that this has any relevance to poster Acolyte's situation. No mention of moving here.

 

Yup. You also typically need a Bachelor's degree to enter a Graduate Certificate. (*In Canada, an Ontario College Diploma often suffices). That doesn't make the Grad Cert a Bachelor's degree. EdS requires a Master's for entrance, but it's not a Master's degree according to U.S. official sources dealing with matters of classification.

 

Here's a nice chart. Again, official sources.

https://www.cicic.ca/1149/academic_credentials.canada

 

That's cheap shot. If you have invested much in this qualification in the hope that it's recognized globally, you're in for a surprise. If I am a teacher (I am!) and I am getting this qualification in the United States and bringing it over to Europe (or places in Asia) for advancement purposes, I won't benefit from it at all.

 

One thing here: Sometimes the best encouragement is to tell someone that something they want is a bad idea. They'll do it, just to prove you're wrong. I've done that a couple of times, with good results. And I've had it done to me -- egg all over my face.

It's only worth so much. to prove a point. People begin to wonder... Degree or not degree - the thing crosses education, technology and leadership boundaries, and that seems to be just what Acolyte is looking for. Doubtless, whether future employers appreciate the credential or not, Acolyte will - because he'll have learned more about exactly what he wants to know. And I can easily see how that learning will add to his expertise in a consulting role, as he is contemplating, down the road.

And no - I didn't get to read Steve's last post, (or tadj's) before I wrote this. But Steve's is great! Right on the point.

 

Sure, but my point is that when you get a degree in the United States, you should reasonably hope to have it approved in other countries. That's what you can expect from a versitile degree from any country. Since the US has some of the best teacher colleges in the world, a lot of teachers are trained there. The debate may be insignificant to you, but it's actually a part of much larger debate about US degrees in general and what they mean in other parts of the world. We've had similar discussions about the DMin, Doctor of Strategic Leadership, etc. Also, I find it strange that we've had entire threads about Polish qualifications that appear to be degrees (but are not) but when this topic touches U.S qualifications posing as degrees, it seems to be a non-issue. Actually, it's a much bigger issue, because you have way more international students.

 

The perspective of our forum members is already heavily skewed in the direction of minutia when it comes to educational matters. So just let it be. As long as we all have a life outside of this (often) silly qubbiling over details, all is well. But you're right, most people do not care. And we've just talked about HR departments and even they don't care, so yeah...Full agreement there. That being said, I care about what a degree is and what it represents on a larger than a single country scale, at least to some extent. Haha.

 

I'm just saying...whether a hypothetical foreign country considers it a master's degree isn't really an issue because you should already have a master's degree. I haven't read that the OP plans to move to a foreign country. One's educational decisions shouldn't be based upon the small chance you might move...somewhere. It sounds like the OP is just looking for a more advanced, specialized education. Whether it's a higher degree or a post-master’s certificate, the goal is usually to respecialize, add new skills, or advance existing knowledge. I can understand worrying about meeting licensing requirements in most U.S. states since it's very common to move states. It's not as common for Americans to permanently leave the U.S.

 

Dang. This went off the rails. In my workplace, very few have an Ed.S., but those that do are usually some sort of Director of something.

 

You can argue technicalities and niches and exceptions all day. They're meaningless. The real issue is how it functions. And almost no one outside of the education field has any idea what it is. That's why it fails as a "degree"; most people simply don't see it.

 

It fails as a degree because it's not recognized as one, by the higher education authorities of its own country. But it IS recognized by those same US authorities as a valid academic award (although not a degree) in its own country - something that CANNOT be said about a Polish-awarded DBA.

In both countries you can (I think) have an academic award that isn't a degree. But you can't have a doctorate that doesn't exist in the system - in either.

"Dem no be da same," as one might say in Nigerian Pidgin. (I think.)

 

Once you use that D - for Doctor - you're over the line, if it's part of something -- that isn't. General rule for anywhere.

"Git th' han'cuffs, Clem. "Judge sez t' save th' rope fer th' trial."

 

The Polish non-degree MBA award granted you entry to state-owned company board positions under Polish law. The Collegium Humanum scandal illustrates the importance of the award in Poland. At this point, the scandal is absolutely huge here. In the near future, I may provide some updates. The Polish MBA and DBA aren't treated as degrees under our law. Johann is correct. But that doesn't make the postgraduate studies awards invalid. It just isn't an academic (degree-level) qualification here, but postgraduate studies exist in the Polish framework of qualifications (also under our law). They are known as partial qualifications. Under Polish law, MBA and DBA can be properly granted through these postgraduate studies. The official award is a Certificate of Completion of Postgraduate Studies with MBA or DBA designation.

 

At least down in SACS territory, being able to award the Ed.S requires a different level of accreditation than just the masters.
Level 3 awards masters, level 4 Masters and specialists, 5 and 6 differ based on how many doctorates you offer.

https://sacscoc.org/app/uploads/2023/07/webmemlist124.pdf

 

How does that even work? DBA is DOCTOR of Business Administration. I think piece of paper that calls someone a DOCTOR of something - yet does not represent an approved doctorate, in the country of issue, is an egregious fraud - and an indelible stain on the institution that awarded it. Lookin' at you, University of Dąbrowa Górnicza.

As I wrote once before - and for which I received a reply that said pretty much "It's only bad if you (the recipient) call yourself "Doctor."

'What does the D in DBA stand for? Doctor, right? If it's not considered a Doctorate, why is it allowed in Poland, with an abbreviation that means "Doctor?" It's totally illogical. They should call it a Graduate Award in Business Administration - not use abbreviations of degree nomenclature. That is misuse that encourages further misuse."

I'm OK with any country that doesn't want to recognize MBA or DBAs as degrees. It's their call. But they should STOP using degree nomenclature. MBA and DBA on the awards. Call them Grad. certificates / diplomas or Advanced certs / diplomas etc. in Business Admin. Once they dip into pseudo-Master or pseudo-Doctor - it's not OK. They've crossed the line.