Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signs a bill banning DEI initiatives in public colleges

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  1. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    https://www.npr.org/2023/05/15/1176210007/florida-ron-desantis-dei-ban-diversity

    "The new law also bans what can be taught in the state's higher education institutions. General education courses can't "distort significant historical events or include a curriculum that teaches identity politics," or critical race theory."

    Is there a First Amendment violation in here somewhere, or does that only apply to what the college does to the student body and not what the state government does to the college?
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    DeSantis is studying for a degree in fascism.
     
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  3. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    The picture of him signing this is... something else. In ye olden tymes, he might have gotten burnt for demon possession.
     
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    "Burn, baby, BURN!"
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It seems to me that many of the laws that DeSantis is implementing are unconstitutional. I have to assume that he's making the cynical calculation that getting a law declared unconstitutional will likely take years and by then he will have received all the political benefit anyway. So, he doesn't care.
     
  6. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I almost feel sorry for Floridians, but this is what they voted for. Kudos to them!
     
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  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    A system in which everyone gets what only the plurality deserves....
     
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  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    True, there are plenty of valid complaints that can be made against democracy. The problem is that there isn't anything better.
     
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    If I'm understanding correctly, you're saying that there are better and worse ways to organize a democracy. I can agree with that but, it's still a democracy. (I'm ignoring the pure democracy versus republic debate.)
     
  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Enh, sort of. The way I would put it is that I'm saying that a system in which majoritarianism (democracy, if you like) is only one input, but there are also others. The current system is one such, so I'm not being a total crank here. I'm just pushing back a little on the notion that democracy is an unalloyed good, even while conceding that philosopher-kings are in short supply.

    That's fine. The way that many of those on the right use the word "republic" isn't what I learned it to mean in social studies as a kid, so I expect it's one of those words that just leads people to talk past each other.
     
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  12. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    University of South Florida probably had the most popular DEI training program, and they were giving it out for free. I'm sure that made DeSatan happy.
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I freely admit that democracy has many flaws. I was only arguing that democracy is better than the alternatives.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Let me try to give an example. Let's say a saint like altruistic celebrity loved by all was convinced to be an autocrat in charge of a new country. He did a great job and brought peace and prosperity to all in his twenty year rule. He dies of old age.

    I would argue that this same country after twenty years of democratic rule would probably be in a better position for long term success. I would even argue this while admitting that the country is probably better off at the time of the saint-like leader's death than if it had been ruled democratically for those twenty years. The reason is that saint-like leaders are few and far between. The chance of another altruistic leader taking over the reigns of rulership are slim to none. The country has a tradition of autocratic rule and the people of the country will likely expect another autocrat to lead their country.
     

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