Use of the N-word at Circle K yesterday

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  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    So I was standing in line at the local Circle K. Ravi, who is the Indian Clerk (non-black) greeted a Black gentleman behind me. He loudly said to the black man, "Hey, what's up N*****a? I turned around and the customer whom he addressed was laughing, but I could tell he felt embarrased. I thought to myself, "What the hell?"

    I stuck around, and waited for all the customers to leave, then I had a talk with Ravi. I told him he should never use the N-word, especially at work. Ravi is from India, and probably doesn't know any better, but I told him never to use that word again because he can get fired (or killed), and it's a bad word anyway. He understood.

    Not cool man! Please forgive any typos, I have been living on 1 to 2 hours of sleep ever since m mom broke her hip.

    What say you?
     
  2. jhp

    jhp Member

    Are you sure? . . .

    As a minority, I find this insulting and more importantly hyper racist in multiple points.

    That you think the black man needed your help; that he lacked the ability to whatever-you-self-righteously-thought reason he could not correct.
    Because when the black man laughed about it, you knew, you knew very well, I mean the n***a didn't, but you, you knew for him, that he was embarrassed.
    I mean, forget the fact that he laughed, and he heard, yet he did nothing . . . but laugh. No, you had to insert yourself, because you knew better.

    And, that oh-so-poor Indian clerk (who probably owns at least six more Circle Ks), uneducated on cultural norms (probably has a PhD from microbiology and speaks 6 languages and lived on more continents than most) ferner' needed your, oh blessed be your name, help to force he into the fear that we must maintain.

    Congratulations! The first step to recovery is acceptance that you have a problem.

    Racists come in all shapes and forms.

    The KKK, we could see them coming from a mile. Their stupid hats, and bed sheets, lit torches. We knew what they are planning.

    Today, we have the ones that keep minorities down by feeding them lies and making sure they remain chattel in the voting booth, and kept on the sideline until we need them to warm our self-righteous cockles of our hearts by a "good deeds".

    What say you?

    // do not ask, if you do not want to hear. //
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That pinching feeling on your leg is you walking into your own trap. If Abner is wrong to make assumptions about the guy, then so are you.
     
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  4. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I'm not just a minority; I'm black. I believe Abner is Hispanic, but I could be wrong. JHP made the assumption that Abner is not a minority. It doesn't matter. It's nice to have non-black allies. Abner likely did the Indian guy a favor. Another black person may not be as kind. Where I'm from, a non-black person saying n***a could result in a punch in the face. Even if the guy is well-traveled (we don't know that), he clearly isn't fully aware of the social norms in the U.S.
     
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  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Where did JHP make any assumption either way about Abner? Although I don't see why it matters whether Abner is Hispanic or not in this situation since the points made are the same in either case.
     
  6. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    If Jhp isn't black, then his opinion as a minority isn't any more relevant than Abner's since Abner is also a minority. If Jhp didn't assume that Abner is a non-Hispanic white person who is the modern day version of the KKK, then I guess he thinks that Abner is looking to oppress himself.

    Anyway, Jhp's post was way more racist than anything Abner said (Abner didn't say anything racist at all). Jhp used stereotypes of Indians to assume that the guy was a PhD working as a convenience store clerk. If that isn't insulting...
     
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  7. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    On the island where I grew up, the N-word was used in a different content. It was used mostly by parents warning their children not to behave like an N. So, the N-word was used in the context of behaviours. So a person of bad behaviour and of ill repute was considered an N. After moving to North America, I’ve adapted to the North American version of the word. Because of the internet, the N-word is now considered not usable on the island I grew up. I have seen people being rebuke using the word in the context of behaviour which traditional was accepted.
     
  8. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Same in the US. Or it was so in the past.
     
  9. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    You mean black people calling each other the n-word based on the negative connotation given to it by white people? This is the same way black people use the word c**n today; it's not anything positive and is rooted in the history of it being used as a racial slur. In the past, the n-word was definitely a racial slur just as it is now.

    As for n***a, it's the slang version of the n-word and a failed attempt at reclaiming a racial slur and trying to take power away from it.
     
  10. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member


    No, not at all. Parents of all groups use terms of derision for the more foolish or criminal of their number to dissuade their children from becoming foolish or criminal.
     
  11. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Using racial slurs and terms of classism against your own is a form of self-hate. I would never call my children the n-word if I had any. That's verbally abusive. The black community already has enough issues with low self-esteem and colorism.

    In U.S. history, the n-word is a term that is used specifically to insult black people, and no amount of revisionist history is going to change that.
     
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  12. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    I will definitely stick to the current understanding of the N-word and not use it. My parent were grandchildren of slavery. As I said before, slavery still has consequence. My parents warned me not to behave like an N. People who had bad characters were considered N. I am not a fan either of N...a. I don't think my parents were abusive. However, if I were to use that word to my children/grandchildren then I will consider that to be abusive.
     
  13. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

     
  14. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    That's correct, I am Hispanic American. I believe that an attack on any minority regardless of race is an attack on all minorities.
     
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  15. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    As time goes by, the hope is that people learn and grow. One of the biggest problems with African Americans, currently, is that they use corporal punishment more than any other group in the U.S. Well...we see the results of that. It's not keeping black youth out of jail and prison. Children who are spanked are over 20% more likely to be violent in relationships because they're taught to resolve their issues with violence. Some people theorize that the very high use of corporal punishment among African Americans is a perpetuation of learned behavior from slavery. Whenever I see someone beating his or her child violently with a belt, switch, or extension cord, I think of slavery. It's just not an effective way of teaching children.
     
  16. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    You did the right thing, Abner. Nothing against jhp, but I hope he doesn't fall off that extremely high horse he was glaring down on you from. Sir jhp should get a mount more his size.

    I'm speaking as a minority myself, of course. My DNA says I'm 1% South Asian and 1% Iberian Peninsula - so I've added them and this week only - I'm declaring myself 2% Indo-Portuguese. I've met a few of these numerous folks, who've all been nice to me. (Portugal gave up its last Indian possessions in 1962, IIRC - learned that from coin collecting.) I think you'll agree from my pic that I could pass for Indo-Portuguese - just change my last name to Pinto or De Mello or similar.

    My point: there are innumerable genetic recipes for humanity. All of them good. Doesn't matter who's what - if we disparage / disrespect others, there will likely be consequences. Abner was doing Ravi a favour. Just because one Black customer laughed, doesn't mean the next one will. Why should you listen to me? Because I'm also a member of another minority - extremely intelligent people. Yes - to quote your leader, I, too, am a 'very stable genius' ... :rolleyes:
     
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  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

  18. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Ask a young black person why they call each other the the truncated version, and they will almost always tell you that it's to reappropriate the destructive power embedded within the word.

    I'll share two objections I have to that argument.

    First of all, CLEARLY it does no such thing. Several decades of 'n__a this' and 'n__a that' and black people, in general, are even MORE sensitive to the word than ever before. Sometimes, to completely bizarre levels. Also, how many times in a single conversation does anyone have to supposedly reclaim the power of a racial slur? If mental colonialism really exists, how much more demonstrable of a symptom could there be than the obsessive need to absolutely constantly say one particular word such that it becomes an obstacle to intelligibility? That is not power. That is an exhaustive encumbrance.

    Secondly, that's CLEARLY not the actual reason why they use the word. Seriously. I don't buy that for a millisecond. That would be like asking middle class suburban teenagers why they say "like" so much and them claiming that they say it because it's a signifier for a common cohort and class based social identity. Uhhh... no. Like, yeah, like... like... a thousand times no.
     
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  19. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

     
  20. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Welcome to the minority club my brother! :)
     

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