Franciscan University of Steubenville unbiblical

Apparently by researchers who are skeptics, the image of Jesus has been deliberately crafted by the Catholic Church by what writings were included/ left out of the Bible . That is the image the other churches are using because they don’t have the history. Apparently in the books that were deliberately excluded Mary is a stronger character. Judas, was an act. They were infighting within the disciplines for leadership. Thomas had enough and apparently went to India started his own believers. A fair amount of Indian are Thomas Christian if that make any sense. If Thomas found his way to India, who else did? Because there is some similarities with the New Testament writing and the older writing of Buddhism.

 

Phdtobe, you threw quite a bit of information out there. In trying to understand your belief system and thought process, here is a question for you:

Do you believe the canonical Bible is the Word of God, divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit?

 

Does it matter to you what Phdtobe believes? Last I checked, in the same way that the U.S. Constitution prohibits a religious test for public office, the canons of DegreeInifo.com do not proscribe a religious or doctrinal test for participation in this forum.

Seriously, me again much as I'm fond of you, I'd recommend softening your approach.

It reminds me of when I taught at Biblical Seminary many years ago. There was a denomination that had quite a few students in the school and they sent Biblical a survey that included the question, "Does your school teach that VanTillian Presuppositionalism is the only biblically valid form of apologetics?" As it happened, we did not teach that - Biblical soundly based their apologetics curriculum on the evidential school of thinking, not the presuppositional school of thought.

Besides, when you say "the canonical Bible," some people will interpret that as the Catholic Bible (with apocrapha), while others will interpret it sans apocrapha. And, for the purpose of this forum, it really doesn't matter.

Nontheless, I still find it all kind of funny.
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My understanding is there have been intense debates over what should and shouldn't be included both in the pre-Christian era and after. The Song of Solomon, for example, was nearly excluded by rabbinical scholars. I think the debate both among the ancient rabbis and later, the Roman Catholic church, was over whether a particular writing was inspired by God, and naturally, not everything would make the cut.

There are similarities with lots of things, lots of religions; for example, when Jesus spoke of treating others the way you would want to be treated, He was following in a long rabbinical tradition. Others had said similar things before and have said them after, including in entirely different religious traditions. Truth is truth, regardless of whether I think the source of it is coming from the one whom I believe to represent the ultimate truth.

The infighting for leadership or supremacy within the disciples is recorded multiple times in the Bible, it was apparently a running theme of their conversations and based on Jesus' responses when He got wind of it, it pretty well made His head explode.

 

Not trying to be flippant but I have no idea the differences between the cononical, and non-canonical bibles, but isn’t that a problem for millions ? Who determined what was inspired? I mentioned earlier I am a non believer. It is these little things that is reinforcing my non-belief . I am fairly familiar with Christianity at the basic level because it was almost mandatory growing up.

 

This writer was an atheist.

 

It seems to be human nature (aka the flesh) to try and "get ahead" of others, either in prestige, power, wealth or good looks. King Solomon eventually concluded that it's all vanity. Later, Jesus said that if we want to get ahead in heaven, then we must learn to be servants (of others needs) here in this mortal life. That can be very hard.

 

Yes, it matters a lot because his or her eternity is at stake. However, he has free will "for a limited time only" i.e. souls who are trapped in hell no longer have a choice to enter heaven. It's too late for souls in hell. So to answer your question, yes, it matters a great deal. The destiny of an eternal soul is at stake, even if he or she does not realize it.

Dr. Levicoff, do you really think that this writer is being too hard?

Yes, that's an excellent point e.g. canonical, deuterocanonical and septuagint are not lay terms (for the most part).

 

You and I are moving in different directions. We both gravitate to confirmatory sources supporting our biases. Granted, your views are more socially acceptable. I am in the closet about my views. I can’t point to any single issue that cause me to be a non-believer. If I can think of triggers for my non-believe , it was growing up in a Christian home, and Christmas community that had a lot of tragedies. As a youngster nothing was making any sense about God. My mom, good woman, always say to me/us children “God moves in mysterious way”. I was indoctrinated into Christianity for most of my life until I said to myself as an older adult, “that is it, enough of this believing in God”. Never looked back. I felt a huge weight lifted off my shoulders.

 

You're not entirely in the closet, you outed yourself here. And in fact, either you're a really decent and patient person or, in the alternative, you haven't yet completely ruled out the possibility of god, because you haven't totally blown off the two of us who are basically proselytizing away like a couple eager teens at a public park set loose by their youth leader. Sorry for the tragedies you experienced, I can't explain why some things happen, well above my pay grade.

 

Interesting. It is not every day you hear the accusation that Catholic Church deliberately undermined Mary. You don't get any stronger than the Mother of God, Ever-Virgin, Queen of Heaven, Protectress, etc., etc., surpassing Archangels in glory. Mary has only a few turns in the Bible, but where she appears she outshines and is head and shoulders above the rest of the Disciples in virtue. Her position among the Saints is, similarly, in a class of Her own.

Mar Thoma Christians are quite major in India, and it is a standard tradition that Thomas did preach there. They are hardly "his own" believers though: there are many cultural distinctions to them, but their sects maintain communion with their counterparts elsewhere (Catholic, Protestant, and Oriental Orthodox); their teachings are conventional Christian.

 

So here we have a first-time post from yet another troll who writes in the tradition of fakescholars and falseteacher. At this juncture, I think it’s reasonable to ask whether they are all the same person. (One of our moderators could check into this – whether, for example, they have all posted from the same ISP.)

In the meantime, when someone starts their very first post as this one did, I think it’s reasonable to write them off immediately. Especially since Hamilton University is a degree mill (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_University), the University of Phoenix has a questionable reputation these days as a for-profit, and Patriot University is a degree mill (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Bible_University, the new name for Patriot University).

One thing we can say is that this dude has a knack for picking out usernames that raise credibility issues on their own.
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Already taken care of...nothing to see here.

 

Cut the unbiblical cord, eh?

 

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