Regional Accreditation Criticized in Congress

Strike one on soteriology and strike two on Trinity, watch closely the next pitch good bud!...Grin too, see ya my friend,

 

Warfield? What's he got to do wit' TTS?

 

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Ummm...just seeing if you were awake, ie, rather, John Warwick Montgomery, of course! Course you're probably much more conservative than BB Warfield too (hee, hee).

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Actually, as a fanatical rightwing Lutheran I AM more conservative than Warfield, let alone a quiche-chomping Missourian like Montgomery. Hehehoho. But um Gottes willen, Bill, don' scare me like that. I thought maybe the witch of Endor was at TTS roping old B.B. into, uh, moonlighting for them.

 

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Maybe we've stumbled onto an idea for a new TRULY DL seminary scam here. We could claim that our classes are run by the departed greats of church history. Umm let's see: Prof of Heresiology, John Calvin (hope Russell sees this) ; Prof of Homiletics, golden throated Chrysostom and so forth. Yes there'd even be room for Luther too just to keep you so very conservative guys happy. We could claim Heaven's accreditation and affix pearly gate stickers to our diplomas!

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Re: Re: Wait a minute.

(HERE IS AN EXAMPLE: MILTARY REQUIRES A GED OR HIGH DIPLOMA for entrance and they see each state as "academically sound" enough to meet those requirements. If one "federal" institution recognizes each State for academic freedom to decide curriculum for High School, then the same should apply for post-secondary institutions from all federal agencies.)

Throw something tougher next time.

 

Re: Re: Re: Wait a minute.

Sorry, I don't understand what is being addressed here. Can you please elaborate on what your example shows/proves/answers?

Thanks,
Bill

 

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And in response to this challenge , and for the edification of the many TTS skeptics here, is brought to you "The Global Journal of Classical Theology" at:

www.trinitysem.edu/journal/journalindex

eat your heart out Uncle Janko,

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Aw c'mon Bill Grover, you know I can't read that thing--necromancy is forbidden in the Bible.
Seriously, though, the damage done by TTS and places like it is precisely in their portrayal--deliberate, intentional, lowgrade, destructive, offensive--of religious schools as built for cons and suckers.
Bill Huffman, I think what the example proves is that the "miltary" grants high school diplomas to all the states and that all branches of the federal government should award the GED. Or something like that. Or not. Sir.

 

OK, so I didn't read the report but I did wander around a bit on the ACTA website.
http://www.goacta.org
It's clear that they are anything but objective and while some of their goals, such as promoting high academic standards, are admirable, it's no surprise that they've come down against the RA's as ACTA states clearly that they are strongly in favor of the "depolitization" of education. As for Rep. Tom Petri, he's a ?conservative Republican who sits on a relevant Congressional Education Committee. My suspicious nature caused me to check him out...
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.asp?CID=N00004426
because I was wondering who his recent campaign contributors might be. What did I find? Nothing very interesting. To me it just looks like a "small government" politician pumping a report that suggests that government should get out of education. Hand in glove, that's all.
Jack

 

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I have never really investigated this online journal of TC&S's since their theological orientation is almost the antithesis of my own. Nevertheless, it does show that there is some life in the place.

Actually, I have always considered TC&S to be an institution on the cusp, one that could go either way. They certainly aren't a complete sham, and if they dropped their misleading advertising and admitted their non-accredited status, they could be one of the better state approved schools, at least within their niche of on-line conservative Protestant seminary programs.

 

Clarity

Bill & RF:

Let me point out a few pieces of information that need clarification.

First, I have offically completed all degree requirements, but because KW has a one year minimal enrollment period, which I respect, I will not officailly graduate until Feb. with my BS.

Second, I was able to enroll in PW for thier MSc program, with the stipulation that I have satisfied all degree requirements for the BS, and that I am graduating in Feb. My transcrpts were sent to the University. The program I am enrolled in w/the ACE credits, will likely take me 18 mos. minimal, with the ACE portfolio credit, 8 courses, 2 projects and a Thesis. PW is not giving me anything, I will have to work for it.

I do possess an RA AA Degree, in adition, while I was employed at a Big-5, CPA firm, I had to maitain 120 AICPA credit hours, to maintain employment eliagibility. I left the firm with over 400 AICPA credits.

I will keep an "open mind" when it comes to applicants. If the degree is State Liscenced, but unaccredited, I will not just kick the applicant to the curb, I will instead consider the whole experience of the person.

I do make a decent income, but I worked hard to get where I am, no one handed me anything. If I had the option of going to college out of high school, I would have jumped at it. Instead I had to work two jobs concurrent. So here I am upper-mid-30's seeking to maximize my education, as quickly as possible. By assuming all my credits, KW made it possible. I still had to successfully complete 5 courses and a major project. Oh well, I guesss to this board, the fact that my BSc and MSc are form state liscenced/approved schools, I'll never be accpted as a peer. However, I know all the work it has taken, and in the end, it is that which really matters.

Cheers,

RJT

 

Lookit, we all make typos, but your command of written English is a bit shaky in both spelling and grammar. Perhaps English is not your first language, but a better command of it might lend more persuasiveness to your arguments on behalf of KW. Perhaps in your career KW's lack of accreditation, not to speak of other deficiencies, will not matter. Perhaps in your own mind its deficiencies do not matter. To most people, who must go through this vale of tears dependent, at least in part, on third party assessment of their credentials, one of the legitimate forms of accreditation is a substantial help. To most people, who do not have money to burn, getting their money's worth is harmed, in the area of education, by attending a school without adequate recognition. For my part, despite your whingeing about the school of hard knocks, I happily accept you as a peer, an earl, a duke, even a Carpathian boiar, if you like. I wish you well in your pursuit of education or your pursuit of degrees. But I believe that you are wilfully mistaken in your view of KW--at least insofar as you seek to commend KW to the public at large. It is possible to accept a person as one's equal while thinking them, upon evidence,argument, and reflection, to be quite wrong.

 

Re: Clarity

This board has accepted you as a peer already. So I'm not sure what you mean by that?

I can't imagine that you really mean that last sentence. You've made statements indicating that you wanted to earn credentials that will mean something. The places that you've chosen to earn them probably won't do it. Your credentials will probably cause more people to laugh behind your back than open opportunities. I still can't believe you're on the level though. If you're not a shill or a troll, you've at least stretched the truth past the breaking point, in my opinion.

If you really want to come clean and re-establish at least as much credibility as what a complete stranger might enjoy then, as you said "Let me point out a few pieces of information that need clarification. " On those other issues that I've previously listed.

Have fun,
Bill

 

"School of Historical Theology"

Bill Grover, Bill Dayson and Uncle Janko:

Lighten up, guys! I was utilizing humor when I responded to Bill regarding TTS.

But I do like Bill Grover's idea about a new seminary scam. Using the great figures from church history as faculty would indeed be an innovative approach.

Name

Grover Graduate School of Historical Theology

Accreditation

ACI--Association of Christian Institutions,
formerly known as IAC--Institutions Accredited by Christians

Faculty

Professor of Hamartiology: John Calvin
Professor of Theology: James Arminius
Professor of Pneumatology: Montanus
Professor of Philosophy: Tertullian
Professor of Old Testament Theology: Marcion
Professor of Sacrificial Theology: Polycarp
Professor of Christology: Athanasius
Professor of Ecclesiology: Martin Luther

Degree Programs

BA
ThM
Ph.D.

Each diploma [parchment or vellum] comes with a beautiful glossy sticker which reads magnum millum ad infinitum. Extra stickers available upon request.

 

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I agree. In my opinion the work required, on the basis of the three classes I took, is in general respectable.

Were TTS to get RA, I wonder if their prior longetivity as nonRA (in operation since '69) will set a record.

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Re: "School of Historical Theology"

 

Re: Re: "School of Historical Theology"

But you would not want a faculty which was biased, and only produced little Bill's. Given your eclectic theological leanings, a more diverse faculty would be in order.

Oops, I almost forgot. We aren't talking serious study here, but a seminary scam.

Could I serve on faculty? I still have that closet cleaned out, which could readily be used for office space, e.g., copier, fax and answering machine. Office Depot has a combo package deal on all three machines, so for less than $1000 we could start our very own seminary. And since Trinity seems to be a very popular name at the moment, we could name it Trinity School of Divinity.

TSD!!!!!!!! <grin>

 

Re: Clarity

 

A little story about credibility and degrees:

When I was still on active duty, I had just enrolled in Union. A civilian on my base was a graduate of Union, and I knew him from our work together developing and conducting training. Well, one day I was waiting outside his office for a meeting he was in to break up. One of the admin types and I started talking about education. She said to me in hushed tones, "Oh, Dr. R***** has a Ph.D. from one of those mail-order diploma mills."

I have no doubt this kind of thing goes on all the time. And if so, and if it happens to someone holding a legitimate degree from an accredited school, can you just imagine how often that happens to people with degree mill credentials?

Your credibility is probably your greatest asset in business. Having it skickered at because of your degree(s) can't be good.

"The key to success is Sincerity. If you can fake that, you've got it made."

Groucho Marx (or Jean Gieraudoux or W.C. Fields)