Bogus Editing Services

Queen Antoinette's complaint was that she paid for a 10-page business plan and got a 1-page business plan. She doesn't make it clear whether it was a business plan to be submitted for a business class or a business plan to be submitted to lenders/investors (or both). The fact that it was to be a 10-page business plan suggests that it was likely a feasibility business plan to be submitted for a business course. Had it been a business plan to raise capital, then it would have been a very short (no more than a few pages) executive summary of the business plan. Moreover, even if it had been a business plan to raise capital, merely having someone 'just plain write' the business plan doesn't make much common sense, unless one plans to have the true author of the business plan meet with the bankers, venture capitalists, and other investors in one's behalf. That is, even if the business plan was a real-world project and not an academic project, one should still write the darn thing onesself so that one can actually understand it when making presentations to prospective lenders/investors.

 

Ok, but ...

The bottom line of this thread is that David Chang is a crook. Whether Antionette should, or should not, have written her own plan is not the focus. David Chang agreed to help her with a piece of work, claimed he was capable, agreed to a deadline, and delivered nothing close to what was agreed.

In my friend's case he delivered NOTHING, not one edited word, paragraph, or page. HE is what we must focus on, HE is the criminal, and HE must be shouted down from all corners.

Let's us stay on target. The ovals on David Chang ... nothing else is relevant.

 

I feel about as much pity for Queen Antoinette as I would feel for some guy who posts to a discussion board that he feels ripped off because he paid a prostitute for sex and then she never put out.

 

That's a little unfair. Prostitution is illegal; outsourcing a business plan is just being lazy. Like you said, you don't know the whole story; no need to judge so harshly. Besides, it's not uncommon to have a consultant review a business plan. I wrote my own business plan for my small business, but had a serial entrepreneur look it over for me. I also know that the owner of the company I currently work for outsourced his business plan to his lawyer. The SBA even links to a company (Bplans.com) who offer business plan "coaching."

I know what you're trying to say, but it's unfair to group Queen Antoinette with the customer of a prostitute. Queen Antoinette did nothing illegal, and you don't know for sure that she did anything unethical.

 

Take a Hike Ted Heiks!

All the details you wasted your time bringing up are completely irrelevant. Whether this was an "academic project" or a "real world project" to submit to lenders you will never know. What you do know is the bumbling sound of your useless thoughts, meaningless as they are annoying trying so painfully hard to make themselves legitimately heard. BELIEVE ME when I tell you I couldnt give a ratas coolo if you havent any pity for me or that make believe guy you got tossing around in your head trying to hire a prostitute who ultimately is rejected...Could it be you?? Who knows moreover, noone cares! Sooo yes point being, Save that pity you mentioned for yourself sounds like ya need it, R-E-A-L Bad guy.

 

What!

This thread has been hijacked ... which is something I ordinarily just ignore ... but this time I protest, just this one more time, as I am still trying to regain the trail I originally committed to, getting David Chang out of the fog of anonymity he is hiding in and bring him into the full light of scruitny so we all know he is an untrustworthy scumbag.

Antoinette outsourced the development of a biz plan. Many folks do this, many. I know because I sometimes do this ghostwriting of biz plans. It is no big deal when one does it correctly ... in collaboration with the person that will use it to start a business. So let's us get past worrying and agonizing over whether that is important. It is only important in this thread as it represents another person that Chang has ripped off!

All right, Chang is a scumbag ... say it with me ... Chang is a scumbag.

 

No, it's not being unfair. I said that if it was an academic project it is cheating and if it was a real-world business plan it was laziness. I'm fully aware that some prospective entrepreneurs submit their already-written business plans to accountants, attorneys, business professors, other entrepreneurs, etc., but "I paid for a 10-page business plan and he only gave me a 1-page business plan" does not bespeak of having an already-written business plan reviewed. I am also fully aware that some prospective entrepreneurs hire others to show them how to write a business plan but "I paid for a 10-page business plan and he only gave me a 1-page business plan" does not bespeak of having written one's own business plan in consultation with a professional. Someone who simply issues an order "write me a business plan (with or without a specified number of pages)" is selling themselves short because if they have not participated in the writing thereof they are less likely to understand and defend the business plan when they go before a panel of bankers, venture capitalists, and other sorts of lenders and investors. And, for that very reason, a person who would "just plain write" a business plan does his/her customer(s) a disservice.

Note: I hereby take back what I said about prostitutes. Prostitutes are of much better moral character than the owners of these bogus editing services.

Young lady, I hate to disappoint. But I have never been rejected by a prostitute. And that is because I do not sexually proposition prostitutes. That having been said, I have turned down all fifteen prostitutes who have sexually propositioned me.

I never said I disagreed with this part.

 

Hmmmm. There might be other possibilities but having read through the thread I've noticed that our Queen hasn't given us one. Instead she's acted like someone who has been revealed. Blather/Outrage/Blather/Obfuscation, etc.

You paid someone to do your homework for you and now you're upset that they didn't do a good enough job. The person in question may well be a con artist. I've no problem with that idea. There seems to be another question in play at the moment.

 

Seriously....

Very good Sherlock, you figured it ALL out! Did you do that all by yourself? Hey listen dont quit your day job unless your a cop or an investigator.

 

You made an awful lot of assumptions from her small paragraph. You and I still don't know the whole story, and now that everyone is throwing insults I doubt we ever will.

You may call that fair, but I just don't see it that way. Maybe some of the psychologists in the forum can tell us what is wrong with all of us; after all, there is lots of bloviating to make assumptions from now...

 

I guess this is no longer a thread about David Chang

This thread has been successfully hijacked ... I cannot figure out exactly why Ted wants to keep attacking Antoinette. The point he made is now a fully beaten dead horse. Let it go!

I make this my last post in this thread ... David Chang lives in San Francisco ... and he is a dirtbag, weasly, low-life. If he were a man he would step up and take care of business, but he is not a man ... he is a person of no real value, one who takes advantage of others.

Some day I may be in SF again. I hope I can find this low-life.

 

I have not personally attacked Queen Antoinette. I have simply pointed out certain relevant facts. Note well, I have two MBA degrees, so I know what I'm talking about. The length of the business plan requested was to be 10 pages. That just screams academic term paper. Why? Because my old venture capital professor (an adjunct who had a full-time job as a venture capitalist) specifically told the class that a business plan to be submitted to lenders/investors should be an executive summary no more than four pages in length. Note well, Queen Antoinette has personally attacked me by insinuating that I would attempt to solicit ladies of the evening.

By the way, I have never said that David Chang is not a dirtbag.

 

Only after you compared her to the same thing for no good reason other than your suspicions.

Like I said in my last post, you're making quite an awful lot of assumptions on "10 pages." After all, even the SBA links to a website with all kinds of sample business plans that are about 10 pages in length. I referenced them while writing my own, which is for a small software company, that is seven pages long. Just throwing that out there...

 

I never compared Queen Antoinette to a prostitute. I compared term paper writing services to prostitutes (and then later acknowledged that I was a bit too critical of the prostitutes). I did, however, compare the clients of prostitutes to the clients of bogus editing services. And I stand by that comparison because: (a) they both know darn good and well that they're doing something they shouldn't be doing; (b) they both get taken for their money; and (c) more often than not, they both get screwed.

 

That's not comparing QA to someone who utilizes the services of a prostitute?

I'm sorry I even tried. This is obviously going nowhere. I guess I am just not one to jump to conclusions so quickly about people I don't know...

 

Excuse me, but you accused me of accusing Queen Antoinette of being a prostitute; I merely pointed out that I accused people who write other people's term papers of being the equivalent of prostitutes (only to later apologize to the prostitutes) while accusing those who would use bogus editing services of being on the same level as those who use prostitutes.

 

That's not true, sir. Please re-read what you and I wrote. You complained about her accusing you of using a prostitute. This was after you compared her of being the equivalent of someone using a prostitute.

In any case, you are trying to mock me for arguing on the internet, yet here you are arguing on the internet. Good grief...

Can we just agree to disagree and let this go? I respect you very much, given the amount of assistance you give to others on this forum, and it disheartens me to see us interacting in this way. Truce? I'll give you the last word, and I'll wave the white flag...

 

I have re-read your post, sir, and I do now see that you accuse me (correctly) of accusing her of being the moral equivalent of one who would use a prostitute (though I really intended to compare this David Chang pos as being like as unto a prostitute, though I quickly realized that that was grossly unfair to the ladies of the evening). My bad. I should have used some more provisional language such as "if I read you correctly (which, in this case, I clearly didn't)."

That cartoon about "somebody's wrong on the Internet" appeared on another controversial thread I was involved in recently and it was just so funny that it had to be re-posted here. It's not necessarily immediately obvious as to who, if anyone, was being mocked by said cartoon. (Hint: I could have been mocking myself. I do have an unfortunate tendency to get waaaaay too wound up when I'm in the middle of a debate.)

We can allow the matter to rest. I do still suspect, based on the requested length of the business plan and what I know of business plan lengths, that it was probably an academic term paper and, even if it was a real-world business plan to raise capital, it doesn't sound like she was too involved in the writing thereof (either writing it in the first place and submitting it to business plan editor or requesting that a business plan consultant teach her how to write it herself). If I was correct in my first theory, she cheated on a class assignment. If I was correct in my alternate theory, she cheated herself. But it is, of course, possible that I could be wrong, though I rarely am.