College of Humanities and Sciences

Utility

Devil's advocate...
I am certainly not trying to get into a long NA vs RA debate (old tired horse 'round her and will probably never be settled) but seriously, if we suggest to a student considering the school that is has some utility in an educational setting, I feel there would be some consideration of the institution's RA status.

How much utility has a RA masters in the education field? Even in elemetary or secondary? Are there school systems that will accept DETC bachelor's degrees as qualifications for teaching? RA Master's as a basis for master's-level promotion or for salary considerations? I am asking this seriously as I don't know.

I do believe that most RA colleges will not hire a professor with a DETC degree, unless augmented by an RA postgraduate degree.
This school seems perfectly legit but the RA does limit the utility of the degree somewhat. As for personal enlightenment and enjoyment, it looks wonderful. But, one could also, uh, just read the books? Right?

I wonder why they don't take advantage of the CHEA-RA recognition to offer at least stafford loans to their students.

I (also) like that Jurisprudence degree.

 

Re the dearth of dl master's degrees in history, you might want to get a load of this thread: http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19182 .

 

College Of Humanitites And Sciences

Greetings:

I choose this school because I have a fondness for the Great Books. The price tag isn’t that bad. They will let you make monthly interest free payments but that’s easy for me to say since I have the G.I. Bill paying for my education. I picked the Master of Arts in Education degree program. Graduates of the Master of Arts in Education degree program are eligible to take the Arizona Educator Proficiency Assessments exam. Not bad for a NA school! Which also makes the program the most vocational or practical choice. Yes, no matter what program you pick it’s pretty much a philosophy degree. It just depends on what ideal or ideas you study and what you want printed on your diploma; Humanities, Imaginative Literature, Natural Science, Philosophy and Religion, Social Science, Education, or Jurisprudence.

One more note: the school found that the name "College of the Humanities and Sciences" was too generic, and because of their location in Tempe AZ where the U of A and ASU is also located, the media assumed they (CHUMSCI) where part of them and the U of A and ASU got all the press for everything the school (CHUMSCI) did locally. So, they added Harrison Middleton University to their name. Both are family names from the founder David Curd's family. Harrison was a journalist and lover of great books, and Middleton was one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence. The VP of the school told me this. I do wish I had gotten my undergrad degree from them instead of UoP even though UoP is an RA school. I feel that being a military retiree and at my age (48) RA or NA doesn’t matter at this point in my life. I like the school very much.

Thanks

Mike (USAF Ret.)
NCO Academy Air University (RA)
A.A.S. Community College of the Air Force (RA)
B.S.C.J.A. University of Phoenix (RA)
M.A.E.D. Harrison Middleton University (In Progress) (NA)

 

Thanks

And that certainly answers my question regarding the use of an NA degree for teaching. Also, once certifed in AZ, don't most states have a reciprocal agreement for licensure. Of course a RA degree stipulation may stop that kind of cross state licensure but it would be worth a try.

 

Re: Utility

Wait a minute... I'm confused. You wrote "the institution's RA status." But CHUMSCI isn't RA (regionally accredited). Rather, it's NA (nationally accredited)... DETC accredited, which is NA, not RA. Or am I missing something?

Again, did you mean "NA" rather than "RA"?

Okay, on that one, I know you meant "RA" and not "NA". Fair enough.

Again, did you mean "NA" rather than "RA"?

Yes, but why not get credit for it along the way?

NA is "CHEA" too. If you're asking why they're NA rather than RA, that's easy: While RA isn't necessarily more rigorous than NA (though many argue that it is), regional accreditors definitely make schools jump through more hoops, work harder, and pay more to attain regional accrditation (RA) than is the case with DETC national accreditation (NA).

So... um... I'm thinking you just got in a hurry, and/or you were tired, and you typed "RA" in a few places when you actually meant "NA", right? And by the time you realized it the 10-minute edit window had timed out, right? If so: Understandable. It's happened to me before, too.

 

I don’t know of any reciprocal agreement off hand but AZ will work with qualified applicants if they want to teach in AZ from other states. These web sites may help http://www.aepa.nesinc.com/ for registration information and http://www.ade.az.gov/ is the department of education in AZ. The college is also an institutional member of the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers (AACRAO). AACRAO is a nonprofit, professional association of higher education administrators. Institutional membership is limited to nationally- or regionally-accredited colleges or universities. www.aacrao.com also they have established affiliations with like-minded organizations, institutions, and corporations to collaborate on a variety of long-term and short-term projects. These are all listed on their web site.

Tuition Assistance is also available to all Active Duty, Active Guard/Reserve, and military and civilian personnel of the Army National Guard, through the Defense Activity for Nontraditional Education Support (DANTES), which qualifies active duty military personal for tuition reimbursement. http://www.dantes.doded.mil and approved for Veterans' Educational Benefits which I’m using. Again not bad for an NA school!

The president of the school is a member of the Board of Education in the state of AZ which helps this school greatly!

Thanks

Mike (USAF Ret.)
NCO Academy Air University (RA)
A.A.S. Community College of the Air Force (RA)
B.S.C.J.A. University of Phoenix (RA)
M.A.E.D. Harrison Middleton University (In Progress) (NA)

 

Thanks for all the info Mike. I am glad to have a student's perspective. Like you, I am at the point where the RA/NA debate is not a big issue for me. We have a computer consulting biz and I homeschool two kids (using some of the Great Books Academy course plans) and have a baby....so aside from being close to insanity, I felt it was time to pursue something purely for enjoyment. A lot of the books they use in the various programs are ones I have read over the years but it will be nice to revisit them.

Oh and Mike, that www.aacrao.com link took me to a coming soon page.

 

Re: Utility

Oh, but it is. There are many situations where credits and degrees from NA schools are not acceptable, where those from RA schools are. But the reverse is never, ever true.

The magnitude of this, and whether or not is fair, is frequently discussed. But the basic facts are not in dispute.

 

Can't we get a better acronym for this fine school? One that doesn't sound like an anti-Semitic academic celebrity pseudo-leftist?

Now that they've added (fatuously) Harrison Middleton University to the old hypergeneric name, how about

CHUMSHMU

Somewhere, Al Capp is smiling.

And it is a fine school. The ol' nomenclature kook had to take a whack at this acronym, that's all.