College Plans Disrupted Because of Katrina?...NCU is offering a 50% discount...

Hi

Apparently the whole Arkansas System not just ASU. I mentioned them in my post. Nice job Arkansas!

 

As a whole, if any university offers any tuition discount to victims of hurricane Katrina, then that is very generious of them. It is not appropriate for us to criticize a school for not giving away the farm.

It should also be noted that some of the schools that are listed as giving away free tuition are giving discounted tuition (and not free tuition). Either way, it is inappropriate for us to criticize anyone for how much money they are giving away, simply because we think that they should be giving away more money.

 

That is true, not all the schools I listed have free tuiton for a semester, although some are. Others are simply waiving out-of-state tuition.

Whatever the case, these are all good deals for students. I have read that some students have contacted schools which previously accepted them, but the student decided to go somewhere in LA or MS. Some of these school which previously accepted them are now saying "thanks, but no thanks." Talk about kicking somebody while they're down.

 

A friend of mine that reads Degreeinfo forwarded me an email he received as faculty of a large state school.

Seems that the schools wanting to help are torn between helping displaced students and appearing to be taking advantage of the situation by stealing students from the New Orleans\Mississippi area schools.

By offering only one semester of aid and\or requiring students to pay they can avoid offending the New Orleans\Mississippi area schools. If they offered more then it may appear they are recruiting instead of helping.

That makes sense. I salute all schools trying to help in this most difficult time.

 

Amen! Someone who actually understands that universities, like other businesses, must find ways and means to make more money come in than is going out!

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: College Plans Disrupted Because of Katrina?...NCU is offering a 50% d

Um....it a semester of free tuition. That seems helpful to me.

Wait, they should all be offered complete undergrad through postdoc tuition free because their house was destroyed by a storm.

You must be a pleasure to live with you seem really negative and bitter.

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: College Plans Disrupted Because of Katrina?...NCU is offering a 50% d

Or maybe they were smart enough to get signed up with the National Flood Insurance Program. And maybe with all that insurance money they can pay their own way bachelor's through postdoc.

 

As a relatively new-comer to the boards, I have to ask the "old timers" why whenever there is an NCU thread that it gets 1) off-topic and 2) TONS of responses that usually lead to ad hominem attacks?

Just curious -- I really havent seen this replicated with other discussions.

peACE,

ACE

 

Good question. There are strong feelings both pro and con for NCU\For Profit schools here. Sometimes the discussion gets a bit carried away. I am guilty of that myself.

As for the ad hominem attacks, I refuse to lower myself by responding. Sad that some must resort to name calling and amateur psychoanalysis based on nothing more than a few forum postings! Chip made it very clear that he does not want that type of behavior here.

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?threadid=13633

I enjoy visiting here and have learned a lot!

Just my opinion

 

And where, praytell, is the ad hominem?

 

Sounds to me like NCU and the other schools are doing SOMETHING to assist displaced students. This may be the difference between graduating this Fall or Spring for many of these people, who are more likely than not children.

Personally, I applaud the stance of the schools~~ free or not! Generally, most schools would not let any "student" on their campus who has not paid them (if you don't believe me, just ask my children-- smile).

At least NCU and the other schools are making an effort to continue and promote education.... as an American, this is what I think is truly important.

 

Colleges Make a Range of Offers for Displaced Students Seeking Fall Enrollment

The Chronicle of Higher Education

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http://chronicle.com/free/2005/09/2005090603n.htm

As I mentioned elsewere now that I understand the reasoning of only one semester of aid I think what these schools are doing is wonderful. They are really trying to help!

Related sites listed in the article:

Temporary Higher Education Community
for Hurricane Katrina Relief

http://www.scup.org/knowledge/katrina/offers.html


Katrina Aftermath
College Resource Center

http://www.naicu.edu/HEA/KatrinaEfforts.shtml

 

Use to happen on Touro Univ. International threads all the time. I think it has to do with students feeling protective and possibly insecure about their school. As you point out it doesn't help the discussion at all.

 

Prior to the creation of NCU, it was UoP that was constantly in the battleground. There were a lot of divisive discussions about the quality of UoP degrees and the methodology of classroom instruction. But since the creation of NCU, I haven't seen one attack on UoP.

IMO online degrees still have a stigma attached to them, to a large extent. If you're going to get an online degree, then simply do the coursework, get your degree and remain silent on the issue, unless you're specifically asked about it. If the online degree is RA, then you should be able to get a lot of mileage out of it, unless it has a really big name (like UoP) where people will ask you pointed questions, in which case simply be prepared to give answers.

 

I fail to see the ad hominem in this thread. But to the extent that NCU, UOP, and other for-profit schools tend to generate heated discussions, it is because too many people on this board do not understand that education is a business and not a charity.

 

Hello Ted,

Here is what I understand to be Ad Hominem:

"An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting)."

This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.

Example of Ad Hominem in this thread is when people say "perhaps you need outside help." As a licensed "shrink," this implies that one is delusional and needs psychiatric help in order to check out reality. IMHO - this meets an Ad Hominem attack. It does not need to be "You are a psycho - and we deny your arguments" it can just be implied and have the same effect. However, looking through many NCU-topic threads - I see it happen many times (in fact I fear by pointing this out I am hitting the wasp's nest and will become part of it). Anyhow, just my 2 cents !

peACE,
ACE

 

Okay. I didn't see any of that on this thread. Just honest disagreement as to whether schools should be required to give free tuition for flood victims. But now that you mention it, I do now remember an old NCU thread - one which I've been trying to forget, believe you me - which got out of hand. In that case, there had been a series of NCU posts which, interpreted in certain ways, could have cast NCU in a negative light. Then someone who is/was/wants to be an NCU student misinterpreted things, took offense, and things got out of hand.

 

For any poster to selectively negate the value and intent of any distance learning school that has offered to cut tuition by 50% to assist others during a horrific calamity as occured in New Orleans implies absolutely nothing inappropriate about NCU's generous offer but raises a red flag about the poster's questionable motivations and judgment.

In fact at this time I have not observed any comparable tuition cuts being offered by the other big three distance learning universities. So why does the initiator of such distasteful remarks about NCU not comment on the level of tuition assistance provided by these other universities?

To take cheap shots at NCU or any other university that has made timely and relevant efforts to assist others in need can only be termed spiteful and vindictive.

 

I'm happy to say that I agree with simon.
Jack

 

I agree. Cheap shots should not be taken and best I can tell haven't been taken. No school is required or should be required to give discounts or free tuition in any situation. At the same time when I see some entities being generous when others seem to be trying to appear generous it certainly makes me wonder exactly what their motivation is. Others are free to believe what they want. If that is bothersome to some that is their issue.