Union Institute & University - Accreditation On Notice

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by PhD2B, Feb 11, 2005.

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  1. BinkWile

    BinkWile New Member

    That's it, I'm convinced. Rich, you are obviously an idiot. Please remove your PhD from your signature immediately. In fact, I would appreciate if you never post again on degreeinfo. I am ashamed that someone associated with this institution would post on this forum. That is disgraceful. Thank you ComCollege for sharing these facts with us so we can see the truth about UIU.

    We must all unite to shun these UIU monsters!

    Also, after considering the NCU bashing post from a while back, I have decided to stop writing my dissertation proposal. I don't want to be associated with an institution like that after all those facts were given.

    I am so sorry to all of you for pursuing a DL PhD. What was I thinking?
    :(
     
  2. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    yawn

    Wow, guess who's a UIU-obsessive? Unbacked claims, wild accusations, intemperate tone, arrant nonsense, flat-out lies, stupid insinuations.

    I don't even much like UIU--but I'll trust Douglas or Levicoff--or PhD2B--over this blatant crabby silliness any day. I don't need to read a comic book to figure out the "point" of the defamatory post. We've seen this all before. Jealousy not only becomes vicious. After a while, it becomes boring.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Speaking for myself, no need to apologize. Asking a question about that situation is certainly a core function of this board. It's the loonies that get lit by it, though.

    There hasn't been anything new about UIU in a long time, and there shouldn't be until later in the year.
     
  4. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Guys, let's make this fun . . . ComCollege neglected the real things that attracted Rich and me to Union. For example, the midnight orgies around the campfires at Union seminars, the nude "centering-on-the-sun" sessions led by Union's large population of Wiccan students, the lesbian-run "examine your hidden cervix, guys" workshops, the giant hookah that we shared at program planning meetings . . .

    I mean, let's get this straight. We weren't just reading comic books, we were writing them. My favorite is the one that a group of psychology majors created featuring Super-Id, a Freudian masterpiece about a super-hero that created new and astounding uses for cigars that would give Bill Clinton an orgasm.

    But on a more serious note, Rich and I have always been up front about our credentials, but I can't seem to locate such information for this character ComCollege, who is still a relative newbie to the forum. As best I can determine, ComCollege seems to be no more than an apologist for Berne University, a joke of a degree mill.

    Perhaps, then, since unable or unwilling to come up with proof about the allegations made in this thread, ComCollege will share with us his or her own background and credentials - in detail, naturally.

    (I, for one, won't hold my breath.) :D

    Absent that informaion, I do not feel the need to defend Union from ComCollege's ridiculous allegations. (Or from my own, which are obviously satirical.)
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    [I don't list my own credentials in a standard footer, as I am as humble as I am brilliant. But for the curious, they are: B.A. (Edison), M.A. (Norwich), and Ph.D. (Union).]
     
  5. ComCollege

    ComCollege New Member

    Come on guys, get smart. Why do you think the Ohio State Authorities and the Regional Accrediting Body have taken such action against this institution?
     
  6. Learned Foot

    Learned Foot member

    As we now know from another thread, the correct and incontrovertible response to such queries is:

    "I do not share information of that sort and will not post it here."
     
  7. jugador

    jugador New Member

    I wouldn't get too excited about this pending the accrediting agency's findings. A couple of years ago, the University of Texas' physics department was placed on probation the the SACS. Ever heard of Auburn University?

    http://www.sacscoc.org/disclosure/Auburn%20U.pdf
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Everyone already knows. The matter has been under public scrutiny since the beginning. That's why making hay about it is, well, stupid.
     
  9. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    Come on guy, get REAL. Provide one shread of evidence or documentation for your allegations. Thanks to Dr. Douglas, those on Degreeinfo who are interested in the situation with Union have been given the most up-to-date information. You have given us nothing exept an excuse to roll our eyes:rolleyes:

    Tony Piña
    Administrator, Northeastern Illinois University
     
  10. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

     
  11. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Always interesting when a lot of new posters want to trash Rich or Union. Some how the posters remind me greatly of those that post on Jamesville. Do they really think these kind of posts fool ANYONE?
     
  12. Jack Tracey

    Jack Tracey New Member

    You will not name names because you can't. Also, the circles in which "this is well known" has a substantial overlap with a group of people currently on a "medication vacation." You were asked for evidence and this is what you came up with? This is not even Sophomore level degree mill stuff. Come back when you're in grad school.
    Jack
     
  13. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member

    quote:
    posted by ComCollege
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    They allowed tremendous latitude in designing your own (any) program, and even gave credits for reading comic books and viewing videos (cartoons), and would tack on a few more credits if you complained and threatened to leave the program. They possess neither the financial resources nor will to make the necessary changes, and it is quite likely that they will give up the PhD program to save their accreditation.
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    A backhanded slap at UIU and its graduates, I see.

    Give me some leeway to play this game......

    It is time for some speculation here ...... and I dare anyone so characterized by me below, to provide evidence to the contrary, to defuse my rampant speculations.......

    It is apparent that some of the diploma mill shills, con-men and apologists have come in here trying hard (unsuccessfully and with great futility) to trash those who, in their opinion, are successfully, truthfully and thoroughly (with tremendous preponderance of evidence) uncovering and exposing their notorious diploma mills, supremely sub-standard "schools," and un-wonderful "4 to 7 courses-for-a-BS or PhD" degree credit-card scams.

    Note that these shysters and pretenders almost always post anonymously, proffer little to nothing about their own academic or DL credentials (if any) and never would dare to state who they are, where they attend or attended school, and why they display so much angst at ongoing (and never-will-cease) public outcry against their erstwhile profitable "unaccredited" education scams.

    They have to attempt to shamelessly "out" somebody or minimize their achievements since they themselves or their cohorts are (rightly and rightfully) being "outted" or have been successfully "outted."

    In their dreams!

    Pity!

    It must be really hard for these shysters and con-men to be out there (and in here) trying to convince others out there (and in here) that their unaccredited and substandard "degree" is a valid "degree" while they are getting it, or have gotten it, from a fraudulent enterprise, a sub-standard unaccredited "school," and a globally-recognized un-wonderful enterprise, ummmm .... "school."

    Your futile and childish vituperations, your swinging wildly and blindly, and casting aspersions on DL experts and contributors in here fool no one in here.

    But they do a pretty good job of perpetuating your own, ongoing delusions and machinations.

    Getting hot under the collar, huh?

    Have you responded yet to the inquiries from the FBI and State Attorney Generals?

    Are state legislatures continuing to pore over your operations?

    Have you notified all of your past "graduates" that, in an increasing number of US states, they may have to state that their "degrees" from your un-wonderful schools are unaccredited?

    Did you (yourself!) forget to list on that resume you sent out the other day that your "degree" from that un-wonderful school is unaccredited?

    Are your students getting wiser by the minute and deserting your "college" in droves, denying you access to their credit cards?

    Have you sacrificed a cow to the gods to ensure that you and your cohorts will not find yourselves behind bars one of these days?

    Is any of this sinking in yet?
     
  14. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    My, my, my! I am deeelighted that you're on board.
     
  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    In Jamesville, I'm a central topic of conversation for the attention-challenged degree mill shills that have found a home. Thus, Union becomes a topic, too. Currently, Jamesville has a thread about both. In it, Dennis Ruhl, a former contributor here, has taken up the lie that I (a) got credit for 20-year-old work and/or (sometimes "and," sometimes "or") (b) I did my degree in 8 months. Of course, we're talking about Jamesville here, so none of it is really true.

    First, if I'd received credit for 20-year-old work, that would imply I started my Ph.D. program when I was 23. Not so.

    Second, I wish my return had only been 8 months long. It was actually 13.

    Third, I wish I'd gotten "credit" for 20-year-old work. Nope.

    Here's how it worked. I was in the program for several years from 1986 through 1994. I had to take several interim periods (where your enrollment is continued, but you don't work on your program) due to military commitments. I had to drop the program in 1994, just a few months from my pre-graduation meeting (the closest thing Union has to a dissertation defense). The dissertation I wrote back then--and the research I did--was left on the shelf. (You try writing two doctoral dissertations to get one degree!)

    In 2001, John Bear wrote the president of Union suggesting they should waive the time-in-program limit and re-admit me. He asked me first and I gave the go-ahead. Union was very supportive, but made me submit a re-admission essay demonstrating I was still current in my field. That 100+ page academic essay was the basis for my return, not "20-year-old work." I had to demonstrate that I had done current work in each of my degree field areas, which I did.

    All returning Union learners must enroll for a minimum of two terms, 8 months. I wrote a second dissertation focused on new research questions. Obviously, my skills in that area were a little more developed than your average doctoral student, having done this before. Still, it was more than a year before I finally got through the process. I'm convinced that, overall, I did far more work than most for the Ph.D.

    Jamesville is filled with strangeness. But I have found one thing consistent on every board, Jamesville and elsewhere: the only people who criticize me or Union either (a) don't hold a doctoral degree from an RA school or (b) are connected with less-than-wonderful schools. Now, why is that? :rolleyes: (In fact, the only people that have RA doctorates and criticize Union consistently are Steve Levicoff and me, both graduates of Union. Go figure.)

    NB: To this day we don't know the impact of John's request. Union answered him quickly, saying I was welcome to return and that the door was always open. They immediately deferred to me, citing privacy issues. That's the last I heard from Union about John's request; everything else was focused on my re-entry. Still, it was a very generous thing for him to do. Oh, and no, I didn't know John before he joined my Union committee in 1986, another oft-repeated lie in Jamesville.
     

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