Should Elizabeth II be Canada's Elizabeth the Last?

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Keep in mind though...my personal experiences of Canada are limited to Western Canada meaning Alberta and British Columbia. Ontario and Atlantic Canada are doubtless very different. Milk sold in bags, for instance...
     
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  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Pobre Mexico. Tan lejos de Dios y tan cerca de Estados Unidos...Porferio Diaz
     
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  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    California also has a slightly larger population than Canada if you can believe Wikipedia.
     
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Y Canadá igualmente. :( Hay frío también.
     
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  6. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    There has been talk, several nations including Canada want to "axe" the queen... <gasp> I used the wrong word, but you know what I mean...
    Wasn't there a smaller nation recently as this year that "no longer" wanted to be recognized as a British Colony and removed the queen?
     
  7. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    A difference off the top is that everywhere in the country that they're a language minority, French-and English- speaking Canadians alike have minority language rights. For example, anywhere in the country without exception, Canadian defendants have the constitutional right to a criminal trial in either language.

    Anywhere "numbers warrant," and that threshold's easy to meet, Canadians have the right to public schooling of their children in a parent's language. There are further minority language rights and services provided beyond the requirements of the constitution. I had much of my public schooling in full-day French Immersion in a part of Canada where French is a small minority and I had no constitutional right to it per se. (My father grew up in a French-majority part of regional Quebec, but his family was in the English-speaking minority there.)

    Yep.

    This is significant to the monarchy. It's significant to many Indigenous nations and peoples in Canada that the treaties they enacted were enacted with the Queen or King at the time and continue with the present Queen today.

    If any move toward a Canadian republic did not have very high support from Indigenous people in Canada, that would swing against that change many non-Indigenous Canadians for whom Indigenous-settler reconciliation is an important issue.

    This 'settler ally' bloc includes many of the Canadians you'd otherwise expect to be republicans. I'm one.

    Yep.

    The cultural relationship between Canadians and the monarchy is massively unlike the cultural relationship between British and the monarchy. It's considerably less salient for most Canadians.

    I respect Elizabeth II for her public service work. I have ambivalent mixed feelings about the second and third in line. I've warmed up to the Sussexes.
     
  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

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  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes, a small island in the Caribbean. A commonwealth country not a current Overseas Territory. Easier for them than for Canada though. Canadian constitutional law is opaque in places but one feature that is quite clear is that every Province has a direct line of authority to the Crown. That's why everybody would have to agree.
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Dominica became a republic on independence, and Trinidad became one a few decades ago. Now Barbados, but I think the dominos will start to fall for the monarchy everywhere else in the Commonwealth Caribbean other than overseas territories.
     
  11. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    True, language rights for French and I suppose English speakers even in Quebec but not for any other language group as far as I know. That's a birth "defect" that will continue to trouble Canada until either Quebec secedes or the rest of the country loses its patience. If I were Canadian I'd have lost patience long ago.
     
  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Charles de Gaulle died 10 years before Jennifer Lamiraqui was born!
     
  13. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Anyway I do think that Canada might stick with the House of Windsor exactly because it makes Canada different from the U.S. in a fundamental way.
     
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  14. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    The ghost of that arrogant (insert pejorative here) is enough.
     
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Vive la différence! :)
     
  16. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Indigenous languages have some official rights and standing. There are things like publicly-funded "heritage language" classes for immigrant diasporas where populations are large.

    I don't see how having official language minority rights across the country is a defect or frustrating. Many countries have similar.
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I'm not a fan of "group rights". Individuals have rights and everyone should be equal before the law. Groups having special or additional rights runs contrary to the equal rights ideal.
     
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Including the US, although official languages are only designated on the state level, not the federal one.
     
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  19. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    If you have a right to your criminal trial or your child's education in one official language, is that a problematic "group right?" Does it become a problematic group right when the number of official languages exceeds 1 or exceeds some other number?
     
  20. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes, it is. French speaking Canadians and ONLY French speaking Canadians have that right. That's a minority group right that, say, Cantonese speaking Canadians don't have.

    But look, I'm not a Canadian! As someone else said earlier, I will leave that to the Canadians to decide.
     

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