Trump says he would have tried to stop Parkland shooter — with his bare hands

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  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

  2. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Abner, wouldn't you?

    Or maybe pick up a desk and use it as a shield, while walking towards the assailant. Granted, the bullets would probable penetrate the desk, but only a coward would stand by and do nothing, while children are being shot and killed by an armed assailant. Some people have the natural instinct to gladly lay down their life for others -- and some people don't. It probably can't be taught, especially to a coward. Taking an instinctive offense in an exigent circumstance is generally done very quickly, without pondering whether or not to intervene. Just do it.
     
  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Anyone who would walk into that situation unarmed, trying to stop the shooter with his bare hands is either stupid or suicidal or both.
     
  4. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    The only thing more stupid and juvenile than bragging about one's hypothetical bravery is taunting another about it. Brother, you do not have to strive to outdo your idol on every single one of his follies.
     
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  5. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Kizmet, the teacher who shielded his students from the bullets didn't "walk into that situation unarmed." Instead, he found himself there, in the middle of a horrific situation -- and he acted instinctively by laying down his life for others.

    Stanislav, the teacher's heroism was not hypothetical. He is dead. Stanislav, as a foreigner, are you offended more by American heroism or by American cowardice? How is that balancing act working out for you?
     
  6. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    He wasn't the one bragging though. Try to pay attention. You don't brag about your valor unless it's shown under fire. You know, like Robert Mueller's - he showed he can walk towards fire in Vietnam, the same war Trump actively avoided, repeatedly.

    I'm not particularly "offended" by American this or that (well, maybe bigotry, but only fools think it's specifically "American"). America is a valued ally. I'm not sure right now allies can rely on it as they had in the past, unfortunately.
     
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  7. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, it's abundantly clear that the deceased teacher was not bragging. Please provide the name of the person who is bragging about being a hero, along with a quote of exactly what they said. This should be interesting.

    Stanislav, the United States will continue to give her allies free money and benefits, as long as trade and economic deals are fair. The U.S. simply wants fairness.
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Sure, because if anyone is selfless when it comes to children, it's Donald Trump.

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  9. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    I'm not convinced that he ever said that. It's circulating on a whole host of left-leaning opinion websites, but it looks like it might very well be fake news.
     
  10. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    You're right in that regard but that's not what you originally said and it's not what Trump said. Now that you appreciate the stupidity of the statement you're trying to back away from it.
     
  11. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure what I'd do, but if I was unarmed I probably wouldn't go up against a guy with a gun unless I thought that I could jump him by surprise from behind somehow.

    The more interesting question is why the pair of Sheriff's deputies assigned to the school didn't try to engage him. They were armed and presumably that's why they were there in the first place (not just to break up fights). I can imagine reasons why they wouldn't, if there were other kids behind the shooter that might be hit by the officers' gunfire or something. But that wasn't what happened, they didn't even enter the building.
     
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  12. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?" (Psalm 2:2a - KJV says it better than RSVCE).
     
  13. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    That's a tough question. The SRO said he thought the gunfire was coming from outside (and not from inside), so maybe he wanted to ascertain where the gunfire was coming from before he exposed himself to it? Also, what does the BSO active shooter curriculum stipulate? For example, one curriculum says that "the first two or three officers to arrive shall go inside to make contact with the shooter." If that is part of the BSO curriculum, then the SRO was doing exactly as he was trained e.g. he was waiting for a second officer to arrive. The BSO curriculum is going to be closely scrutinized and it will be made public.

    The other responding deputies were reportedly told on the radio not to go in (yet). If that is true (?), then they were obeying orders.
     
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  14. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Trump is a liar, an idiot and an asshole.
     
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  15. airtorn

    airtorn Moderator

    It is easy to say you would have done something when you weren't there and have never faced it.
     
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  16. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Kizmet, as you point your finger at President Trump to call him names, your other four fingers are pointing back at yourself.
     
  17. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    I thought exactly the same thing about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

    I continue to have similar opinions about the many Democrats who seem to have collectively lost their minds, emotional stability and ethics since Trump was elected.
     
  18. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    There was a time when this writer was highly offended when Republicans said that "liberalism is a mental disease." However, after seeing this last presidential election, it appears that Republicans are right: liberals are mentally diseased.

    (dis-eased... dislodged from ease... no ease...)
     
  19. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Yes, yes, yes, but it's all completely unrelated to Trump's delusional statement (and yours) about attacking an AR15 shooter solo and without any weapons. But don't let me stop you from further distracting backpedaling. Please continue.
     
  20. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    A very interesting opinion, I'm sure. But it's rather irrelevant because it's Trump that's about to be impeached, not "the democrats."
     

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