How is President Trump doing in his first 100 days?

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How is President Donald Trump doing in his first 100 days?

  1. Very Good

    46.2%
  2. Good

    7.7%
  3. Fair

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Poor

    3.8%
  5. Very Poor

    42.3%
  1. Helpful2013

    Helpful2013 Active Member

    I suspect much of that has to do with the society-wide decline of schools in the last two generations. For the body politic to hold dialogue and really consider the merits and defects of each others' positions, people have to be taught logic and argumentation. Without the ability to analyze an argument, your own also become impervious to questioning. It's rather that the old line about 'To the man with only a hammer, everything looks like a nail.' Without this kind of logical framework, everything one's ooponents says sounds like a baseless attack or slur, and one that must be responded to in kind, only louder. It also makes it difficult for journalists to attempt objectivity, because only one side could possibly be correct.

    It's no wonder that American politics sounds like two disconnected angry monologues. For all that DI reflects that dynamic sometimes, I am glad people here are at least still talking.
     
  2. Helpful2013

    Helpful2013 Active Member

    I thought this was included in the powers of the executive branch, thanks for pointing this out.
     
  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    A lot of the 1952 legislation was superseded by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. Among other things, it makes a distinction between immigrants and non-immigrants (tourists, refugees, etc.), and curtails the president's discretion about the former. That's why Trump was wrong on the "even people with green cards" thing and had to backpedal.

    Besides, that undermines the weak argument that this is about vetting, as does the refusal to admit people from those countries who have literally worked for the U.S. military.

    Even if you agree with the supposed objectives here, this was done incompetently.
     
  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That makes it sound like there's a single monolithic Jewish community in which all American Jews agree on everything. But obviously that's not so.
     
  5. TomE

    TomE New Member

    Interesting insights and inclusion of different pieces of previous legislation. How does the '65 Act relate to the '11 Act of the same name?

     
  6. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Of course not. But still: earning this level of criticism while going this far out of his way to be "friend of Israel"... Some achievement.
     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yet I gave a link to ADL, a primary source. And referred to provisions of the executive order that are, plainly, in the executive order, which is also a primary source. Unlike your "Obama's Muslim registry", which WAS fake news.

    Read the order and verify that the entry ban would, naturally, first apply to people with valid visas. None of the countries in the list enjoy visa-free travel with US, you know.

    Fun fact: when I was admitted to FSU for Spring 2003 semester, I arrived together with another grad student, a physicist who was admitted for Fall 2002. He missed a semester because his visa application was selected for "enhanced administrative review" and referred to the FBI. The reason was that the description of his research contained the word "particle" that the INS, quite reasonably for laymen, regarded as synonym to "nuclear", and nuclear scientists from some countries including exUSSR get flagged. His actual research in computational high-energy physics is light years from nuclear weapon engineering. The guy is a Green Card holder now and is a prolific researcher. So I know for a fact that visa holders are scrutinized, in consulate and at port of entry, without a need for racist blanket bans. In fact, up until recently, I always budgeted at least an hour for interview when crossing the Peace Bridge (mostly waiting for an agent to free up), despite my sterling history of compliance with various non-immigrant visas. Presenting a Canadian passport and being waived through is still new to me. Yes, I'm an immigrant, just like you said. I also live in a city with quite significant Muslim population and know several immigrants from affected countries (Iraq, Iran, and Syria). All highly educated and can run circles around most people here.
     
  8. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I am a Canadian, so when south of the border, correct classification would be "non-immigrant alien". I never had a chance to file an immigrant petition to the U.S. government. Sadly.
    Are you mentioning Crimea out of ignorance or trying to trigger me? People of Crimea with Russian passports issued in Crimea face difficulties traveling because those are not valid travel documents (because Crimea is not really part of Russia). Those on individual sanctions list deserve to be there; some deserve more.

    It seem that Trump supporters approach full vatnik mode at alarming speed (I wonder if I should start calling him Agent Orange in Russian: агент Апельсин, just to see if it sticks). Let me get this straight: you contend that Trump is correcting Obama's record, who flooded the country with potential terrorists, by doing exactly what Obama did? And your bs detector does not go off? Interesting.
     
  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Meanwhile, major fighting resumed in Eastern Ukraine; 7 brave Ukrainian servicemembers were killed. I'm sure electing агент Апельсин has nothing to do with it.
     
  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    America First

    Stanislav, as a foreigner, why do you want President Trump to commit the United States to getting involved with "агент Апельсин" in the Ukraine when, in fact, there is significantly more bloodshed and death elsewhere on the planet, such as in:
    - the Central African Republic
    - South Sudan
    - Somalia
    - the Congo
    among other places...

    President Trump is not going to be meddling in the politics and wars of other nations. Instead, he is putting America first. It's about time.
     
  11. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I would say "Budapest memorandum", and a few other things, but as Trump teaches you to have no shame, I'm afraid there's nothing to say.
     
  12. Life Long Learning

    Life Long Learning Active Member

    We can only hope Trump does not continue the Wars that the PROGRESSIVE Dems/Reps both love. That is just another reason folks voted for him.

     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Trump on Twitter: "If the ban were announced with a one week notice, the "bad" would rush into our country during that week. A lot of bad "dudes" out there!"

    He thinks you can "rush" into the country in a week! Even here in Toronto, it'd take several times as long to schedule a consular interview, and that's even if you're not from a scary country! Not taking into account the time required to gather supporting documentation! That's how he manages to sign so many executive orders in a week: by not bothering to get any clue about anything that's within them. Honestly, he should ask Melania: she probably still remembers what it's like. Or her clearly very smart immigration layer (if he could document her "distinguished ability" he obviously is worth his fees).

    In all likelihood, it is Bannon's pet issue; and Bannon is very competent, just not in how to run a country. Let him author a few more of these.
     
  14. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav, you are correct: the United States has no shame for the atrocities committed by other nations, to include those in the Ukraine, nor in the ethnic area of your origin. It is not the responsibility of the United States. The warfare and bloodshed of other nations is tragic, but it is not incumbent on the United States to intervene. The United States is not paid to be the world's policeman for inter and intra-national disagreements over border disputes, political power and money. You and your relatives are free to support the side of your choice, either financially or by enlisting in the appropriate foreign militia or military. It is your blood to spill, not America's. Good luck in your decision, but the United States is not getting involved.
     
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    You clearly do not know what "Budapest memorandum" is, do you? That's when Ukraine gave up the world's third-biggest nuclear arsenal. The United States is signatory to that. (In retrospect, Kravchuk should have kept the nukes or negotiated NATO membership in exchange; but back then people believed a word from the United States means something. Also, he is a Communist nincompoop.). If, you know, human decency is not reason enough for you to stand up to a bully; Lindbergh advocated for something like that, ironically, under "America First" banner. That didn't last.
     
  16. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member


    Brother, just stop arguing with him. He's an immigrant from another country, talking about our country. Of course he hates us.
     
  17. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Yes, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, some nukes were unaccounted for - and remain so to this day.
     
  18. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Bwahahahaha! If this is not revealing I don't know what is.
     
  19. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    ...in contrast, 1700 warheads in Ukraine's possession were all given up in 1994 and destroyed - in exchange for the Budapest Memorandum assurances. You're welcome. Among other things, it explains why Sen. McCain, for whom nuclear non-proliferation is a life's work, is so vocal in support of Ukraine.
     
  20. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Stanislav is probably more disgusted with the United States, more-so than having a hatred. The communistic mainstream media emboldens and makes foreigners like Stanislav feel very comfortable in publicly vocalizing which direction the United States should go. Stanislav obviously believes that his foreign viewpoint should be a governing factor in American policy-making. Foreigners are free to voice their opinions, but they don't get a vote (at least not legally).
     
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