Time bomb keeps on exploding -- John Davy loses his job again!

The Davy situation is only one of many. The government is another example where people get away with cheating and corruption. I know of several people (through secondary sources) who have lied on their resumes (degrees and experience) and are in very high paying public service positions. Had they not lied on their resumes, they would have never been in these positions. Imagine that........having an honest person in a position of power!

 

fnhayes:

I'm assuming that the second part of my post was lost in the "white noise" of the thread; at the risk of sounding like a broken record:

Which "real" quality newspapers portray him as anything other than what he is-- a convicted fraud artist?

And as a corollary question: Which newpaper, newletter, group, or individual(s) have spoken out to the Attorney-General or Solicitor-General to express their outrage at the Crown's persecution/prosecution of Davy?

(This is, incidentally, an honest question. I'm in the midst of researching for a journal article dealing with community influence over appointed vs. elected prosecutors. My interest in the Davy case being sparked here, I've searched and searched.. and have found not a single publication treating Davy in anything approaching a sympathetic light.)

 

It's too bad that Davy had to get fired and go to jail. It's too bad that he lost another job after it was discovered that he had been a fraud. It's too bad that Davy didn't internalize lessons about honesty and character while he was growing up. I believe that a lot of people would feel uncomfortable with a fraud in a position of leadership. I hope that Davy can find a job where honesty isn't such an important requirement.

 

Or the Alliance Party--who have nothing better to do that do defend ANYBODY who ISN'T Canadian.

 

Time Bomb

As I posted earlier, Maori TV has historically been fraught with
disaster and the John Davy saga represented a relatively insignificant turn of events compared to the many major financial problems that had occured prior to his appointment.
Having inherited these massive problems when he was appointed CEO of Maori TV, John Davy, after only a brief period in the job, was widely reported as having turned a totally disastrous company into a seemingly creditable group - until being caught out over his ficticious degree!
No person in NZ had previously been prosecuted for CV fraud and those who gave the matter serious thought agreed that had he been Maori he would have simply been fired.
On a different, but related matter, I've just arrived back in paradise after two weeks in Europe, and during one flight segment watched the excellent film "CATCH ME IF YOU CAN". Frank Abagnale was, of course, a very real criminal, and in comparison to the treatment Frank received (a brief period in jail and now some sort of national hero) - after millions of dollars of fraud - John Davy's treatment was quite obscene.
Also caught up with daily copies of 'USA Today'; each copy featuring a minimum of eight non-traditional university adverts.
'USA Today' seems to be distributed throughout all major hotels in Italy and was also available at all news stands and bookshops. The cost to these non-traditional university advertisers must be enormous, but obviously very rewarding!

 

Frank Abagnale

Frank Abagnale's incarceration was not "brief". His incarceration in France was particularly horrifying: he was kept for six months naked in a totally dark chamber in which he could neither lie down nor stand, and almost died of double pneumonia.

Frank Abagnale became a legitimate millionaire because of his expertise on forgery and how to prevent it. John Davy is no expert forger: he just ordered 2 diplomas from cooldegree.com.

Frank Abagnale pulled of an amazing series of impostures as pilot, doctor, prosecutor, etc. I doubt John Davy's autobiography would have the same market value, but he's welcome to try!

 

The relevant question in this case is what he told his employers in Kabul. Did he make use of another overly-embellished CV? If so, then he is the author of his own misfortune. If he was hired on real credentials, then I'd say he would be justified in syaing that he is still being persecuted for something that's inthe past.

 

Re: Frank Abagnale

Frank Abagnale was a professional con-man. No doubt he was an expert in his field (perhaps the best con man society has seen in a long time). John Davy lacked the intelligence and the criminal mind to pull off his fraudulent escapade.
Did John Davy not think that one day he would get caught? Using fake degrees (especially from an outfit like cooldegree.com) and falsifying his experience and professional affiliations would eventually catch up with him. He got what he deserved - a jail cell with and one roll of bathroom tissue.

 

Carlos Gomez wrote:

> The relevant question in this case is what he told his
> employers in Kabul. Did he make use of another overly-
> embellished CV? If so, then he is the author of his own
> misfortune. If he was hired on real credentials, then I'd say he
> would be justified in saying that he is still being persecuted for
> something that's in the past.

"Have you ever been convicted of a criminal offence?" is a standard question on job applications.

Possibly, John Davy did not have to fill out a form with this question to get his job in Kabul. But if he did, what do you think the odds are that he answered truthfully?

 

My guess is that he didn't have to answer the question. But based on the information about his past actions, I'd say it's a longshot that he answered truthfully.

 

John Davy

One thing John Davy has achieved is notoriety on this sight. But it
does seem to me that whilst he was obviously a 'petty' criminal in comparison to Frank Abnagale a number of DegreeInfo members have convinced themselves that Canadian John Davy deserved a far higher level of punishment than American Frank Abnagale.

 

"A convicted fraudster has been working at the Maori Television Service for the past year, causing yet another political headache at the state-owned broadcaster. Alecia Royal, who was jailed for her part in a million-dollar student loan fraud, was given the job without it being advertised and despite management knowing of her conviction."
-- New Zealand Herald, 23 May 2003

"In the latest episode to rock Maori broadcasting, the chairman of funding agency Te Mangai Paho resigned Wednesdayafter official revelations of corruption and mismanagement. Toby Curtis, the father of actor Cliff Curtis (Whale Rider, Collateral Damage), stepped down as chairman after a treasury report concluded he and chief executive Trevor Moeke 'demonstrated poor judgment' over a conflict of interest involving a manager who's a convicted fraudster." -- Hollywood Reporter, 29 May 2003

 

Mark is certainly 'up with the play'. Whilst perhaps not as infamous as poor old John Davy, Alecia Royal and her cohorts ripped-off the Government student funding scheme to the tune of over one million dollars. She was caught when an enrolling clerk at the polytech involved in the scam spotted an enrolment and funding application bearing exactly the same name and date of birth as her deceased daughter! But the scam received modest publicity in comparison to John Davy's fraudulent CV!
Many in NZ believe that administering the student loan scheme
actually costs more than providing each student with totally free education.

 

Re: John Davy

Well..........yes. I do agree that Frank Abnagale does deserve to be punished. John Davy is just one of many scam artists who happened to get caught with his pants down.

Now mind you...I have far more respect for John Davy than I do for Jean Chretien. Now HE is definitely a dictator and a con artist.
(I wonder how he would look in an old 1950's pin-stripe suit holding a rifle????)

 

FNHayes wrote:

> John Davy was most certainly persecuted by the NZ
> (Auckland) Herald [...] this particular newspaper really
> has little going for it and whilst it is extremely good at
> publishing its own version of events on its own website such
> reporting is invariably biased, emotive, subjective and incorrect -
> particularly in comparison to a number of 'real' quality
> newspapers in 'paradise'.

"New Zealand Herald journalists won a raft of reporting and feature writing honours at the annual Qantas media awards in Auckland last night. [...] Herald reporter Louisa Cleave won the general reporting category for her national scoop exposing the Maori Television service chief executive John Davy as a fraudster."
-- New Zealand Herald, 10 June 2003

 

And now John Davy's successor has quit because of a "human resource" probe. Those hilarious Kiwis!

Maori TV boss quits amid 'human resource' probe

Complaint in progress when Fox resigned

Maybe this is Duck Boy's chance to get a real job?

 

He's a bit too late. Had he acted sooner he could have thrown his "name in the hat" for governor of California.

 

I've tried my best to refrain from commenting on Mark's waffle about the Qantas Awards, because such waffle shows that he knows nothing about these totally subjective, quite meaningless and brief self-glorification activities. Apart from a few Qantas officials and the recipients of their awards virtually no one in New Zealand takes any notice of such awards.
On the practical side, however, I remain a strong supporter of Qantas - a very pleasant airline to fly with.
In reply to 'oxpecker' - I used to have nightmares about having to get a 'real' job again!
Anyhow I'm sure Mark will wish to comment on the fact that now Maori TV Boss, Derek Fox, has resigned the investigation into his late night 'activities' have instantly stopped. He will no doubt also wish to comment on the recent research findings that reveal that 30% in the USA lie on their CV's and 70% in the UK lie on their CV's.
It seems that poor old John Davy was one of the few that has ever suffered by having a ficticious qualification on his CV.

 

> I've tried my best to refrain from commenting on Mark's
> waffle about the Qantas Awards,

Doesn't "waffle" imply "verbose" and "evasive"? I don't think my quotation was either.

> because such waffle shows that he knows nothing about
> these totally subjective, quite meaningless and brief
> self-glorification activities.

I freely admit I know nothing about the Qantas awards.

> Apart from a few Qantas officials and the recipients of their
> awards virtually no one in New Zealand takes any notice of
> such awards.

Does no one's noticing them prove that they're bestowed on unworthy people?

> Anyhow I'm sure Mark will wish to comment on the fact that
> now Maori TV Boss, Derek Fox, has resigned the investigation
> into his late night 'activities' have instantly stopped.

Derek Fox resigned after an allegation that he sexually harassed a female employee.

Loss of one's job can be a punishment for sexual harassment. It's no punishment at all for lying one's way into the job. Why? Because after being found out and sacked, the liar has still collected so many months of salary that he shouldn't have!

No, I'm not saying that lying is a worse offence than sexual harassment. I'm just saying that appropriate punishment should be a greater loss than any benefit already received from the crime.

> He will no doubt also wish to comment on the recent
> research findings that reveal that 30% in the USA lie on their
> CV's and 70% in the UK lie on their CV's.

I'm surprised at the UK figure. Source? Yes, lying is appallingly common, and employers certainly drop the ball if they don't check CVs.

> It seems that poor old John Davy was one of the few that
> has ever suffered by having a ficticious qualification on his CV.

True. Society should get tougher on the other liars.

 

Still not over for John Davy...

Maori TV Service fallout follows Davy around the world

'Conspiracy' cry by jobless Davy