Rice University opts out of Texas 'campus carry' gun law

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Switzerland is a favorite go-to for the pro-gun crowd. But they conveniently ignore that the vast majority of guns owned in that country are owned by reserve militia (most men) and they are highly trained in their use. In the U.S., and idiot can tote a gun and settle any dispute with it. It's a totally different scene.
     
  2. rebel100

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  4. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    I am pretty lucky. I go to a police academy shooting range. A couple of off duty cops have shown me a few things that have slightly improved my shooting. I have trouble with the gun "kick back". My target scores are getting a little better though.
     
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  6. Abner

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  7. jhp

    jhp Member

    I would prefer not to be called an idiot. Maybe a cretin, but definitely not an idiot.

    Swiss military age men are conscripted between 19 through 35, I believe. Military service is compulsory for men and voluntary for women unless paying Militärpflichtersatz. The weapons requirement is part of the conscription. The weapons can be stored at the nearest armory instead of the conscript's home. The training is about 20 weeks with periodic refreshers thereafter. It is about working in teams, physical fitness and basic firearm handling. In my opinion weapons training is less stringent than the NRA Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun training courses combined. I have worked with individuals with such experience and would take a Tennessee good-ol' boy with no formal training than a highly trained Swiss.

     
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  8. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    GUN FREE ZONE likes letting the potential bad shooter knows, hey we are unarmed come and shoot us.
     
  9. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I wasn't calling any particular person an idiot. Lots of very fine people can carry weapons. But so can lots of idiots who will use them to settle disputes.
     
  10. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    But is this actually happening? Where's the research that shows these mass killers seek out gun-free zones specifically to avoid being shot back at?
     
  11. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Also remember: If you have a baby in the home, don’t confuse the baby’s pacifier with the pistol i.e. don’t give the baby your gun instead of his pacifier. Common sense must be used at all times.
     
  12. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Mexico is a gun free zone.

    Mexico has strict gun-control laws e.g. only the police and the military can possess firearms; Mexican citizens are prohibited from possessing firearms, but they are still killed by firearms significantly more than Americans in the United States where citizen ownership of firearms is legal.

    Here is an interesting firearm-homicide comparison between Mexico (a gun free zone) and the United States (a 2nd Amendment zone):
    - Mexico: 10 firearm-homicides per 100,000 Mexicans.
    - United States: 3.5 firearm-homicides per 100,000 Americans.

    Source:
    "United States - Gun Facts, Figures and the Law". Gunpolicy.org. University of Sydney School of Public Health. Retrieved 2014-11-14.
     
  13. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    This might explain the crossover effect and some of these bloated figures. when one means to blame the gun but instead the mishap is counted as a pacifier death by the government and media. I like the comment above where gun ownership is correlated to gun death (ya think?) I was under the impression hammers and screwdrivers where causing all the gun issues.

    This story actually seems rather unbiased either way. What we know about gun violence may surprise you

    From the article:
    "The first thing to know is that violent crime of all types is down. In the United States, there are half as many gun homicides today as there were in 1997."

    "What percentage of gun deaths comes from mass shootings versus gang/drug violence or domestic violence situations? A fairly tiny fraction. Miniscule, even. Slightly more than one percent, Terrorism? Less than one half of one percent."

    Maybe we should be targeting gangbangers and ending the war on drugs as a way to reduce actual gun violence rather than vilifying the inanimate tool.

    The piece also mentions suicides and accidental death (less than 2% AD) as a major issues, but I don't think it's anyone's business how another might choose to end their lives if they are bent that way. Not suggesting that suicide is acceptable or that we shouldn't try to help those people, just that those people are only hurting themselves so it isn't exactly an issue affecting the safety of others.
     
  14. rebel100

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  16. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    This may or may not be pertinent, but a Mexican killing say a drug cartel member in self defense means death to him and all of his family. Of course, one may say "well he lived", but at what cost? One gun against thousands won't make much of a difference. Just my opinion being Mexican American and having traveled to Mexico several times. Proviso - Not all of Mexico is bad, just painting an example. We have our gangs here too.

    Abner
     
  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's the whole point. When government doesn't disarm its victims, there are many more guns than one to resist organized crime.
     
  18. rebel100

    rebel100 New Member

    This I understand:

    "As a financial aid administrator at a local community college, Melissa Contreras has gone through a number of active-shooter trainings at work. But this shooting hit a little too close to home for her. One of Contereras’ neighbors across the street, a mother to a 22-month toddler, was gunned down in Wednesday’s shooting.

    “I have never in all 39 years in my life thought to pick up a gun,” Contreras said. “But now, I want to sign up for a class to learn and train to use one.”"

    From this article by MSNBC Nobody is talking about gun control in San Bernardino. Here's why | MSNBC
     
  19. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member


    Is was thinking back to when I was a boy (a long time ago:) and I would visit my uncle's ranch in Mexico. The funny thing is back then he would have a rifle rack in his truck, and I remember rifle's being placed in there. Other ranchers had the same thing in their trucks. He had a small arsenal of rifles at the ranch, and that is where I learned how to shoot rifles. I wonder when Mexico became a gun free zone? My girl cousin's used to carry small concealed pistols in their purses in case of kidnapping (they were well to do).

    Abner
     
  20. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Perhaps they were simply disregarding a prohibition that they felt abridged their freedom and safety?
     

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