DL PhDs that hold full-time faculty positions

Obviously, Tony you are not in the health sciences. Otherwise, you would have seen or met TUI professors and perhaps students. I have observed over and over again, some people in this forum are highly speculative without presenting the facts to support their statements.

TUI and NCU are very new universities and should not be compared with say Walden which many people used to malign and probably still malign. Walden graduates are every where including tenure track positions and I have stated where they are in the past and do not need to go there. Before you start passing misguided statements about TUI, NCU or any other institution, you have to allow them to graduate enough students. The attrition rate at distance learning institutions is very high for PhD students. Anyone who obtains his or her PhD through distance learning ought to be admired.

I work in one of the most foremost research institutions in the world. Many of the things I read in this forum about schools have no place in my place of work. We do send people to teach and or work across the United States and around the world and we pay no attention to how their degrees are obtained but their competence. Many of them of course are well published.

TUI professors in the health sciences are prolific publishers in peer reviewed journals such as JAMA and the likes. Just get some names of the professors in the health sciences and run them through peer reviewed journals databases and see what you get. I was hoping with TUI and TUCOM being accredited with no problem by WASC it would put an end to all these speculations about degrees earned from distance learning but apparently it has not.

There are no difference b/w degrees earned in-house (if you like that name) and those earned from other modes. Not in my line of work or those of my family members and friends who are incredibly successful in their chosen fields with degrees earned in various forms.

I think people should speak for themselves instead of speaking for schools and other employers.

 

http://www.mercedes-benz-usa.com/mbusa_complaints.php

Love this quote:

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Considering what I paid for my Hyundai I think I received excellent TCO.

I wonder if any of the DL PhDs in business looking for a full time position at a university ever did a TCO and ROI analysis of a Hyundai vs a Mercedes? After all, in the final analysis the primary purpose of an automobile is transportation. Getting from point A to point B. In that regard I believe the two are equal.

I also wonder if any of the DL PhDs in Psy looking for a full time position at a university did an analysis on the marketing and advertising of autos? Amazing how they can convince people to spend money on an auto based simply on the implied sex and\or status appeal.

The Japanese are masters of this. They sell the Americans cars they don't even consider selling in Japan!!


Just my opinion

 

Originally posted by oko
Obviously, Tony you are not in the health sciences.

Obviously. I stated quite clearly, on this thread and many others, that my discipline is instructional technology and distance learning.

Otherwise, you would have seen or met TUI professors and perhaps students. I have observed over and over again, some people in this forum are highly speculative without presenting the facts to support their statements.[b/]

I have met several TUI students. I have never met a TUI professor. So far, I have seen none of the Touro UI professors in the College of Education (including the E-learning Ph.D. program) presenteing at the major instructional technology conferences or publishing in the ed tech journals. This is not speculation. Could they be publishing elsewhere? Of course.

It is also true that some people on Degreeinfo (and elsewhere) engage in speculation, often without presenting facts (e.g., making statements, such as, "there are many full time faculty with doctorates from XXX virtual university", without actually providing any factual information to back up the statement). However, others have been kind enough to provide links to faculty directories that list people with degrees from Walden, Capella, etc. If I am not mistaken, you have provided such lists in the past.

TUI and NCU are very new universities and should not be compared with say Walden which many people used to malign and probably still malign. Walden graduates are every where including tenure track positions and I have stated where they are in the past and do not need to go there.

I have stated numersous times on Degreeinfo that one cannot expect TUI and Walden to have as many graduates in academic positions as Walden and Capella or other universities that have been in business longer. You are right that you do not need to go there. Many people have posted lists as you have. I dare you to find one post in my 1000+ where I malign TUI or NCU. To say, however, that you should not compare universities is just silly. Of course you can (and must) compare universities, especially if you are considering enrolling in one of them.

Before you start passing misguided statements about TUI, NCU or any other institution, you have to allow them to graduate enough students. The attrition rate at distance learning institutions is very high for PhD students.

Before you start passing misguided statements about my supposedly misguided statements, you had beeter be certain that you have read carefully (and interpreted correctly) what I have said. I make my living developing, researching and promoting distance learning programs, so I know all about the attrition problems that have been a part of distance learning for decades. It really has no bearing on the discussion here. You appear to have some kind of wierd notion that I am against DL doctorates, particularly those awarded by Northcentral and Touro UI. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Anyone who obtains his or her PhD through distance learning ought to be admired.

I could not agree more.

I work in one of the most foremost research institutions in the world. Many of the things I read in this forum about schools have no place in my place of work. We do send people to teach and or work across the United States and around the world and we pay no attention to how their degrees are obtained but their competence. Many of them of course are well published.

Well, I am just an administrator at a state unversity, where I have been hired to develop the university's online learning program. I also teach online courses for another university, where I designed a fully online graduate degree program (an odd task for someone who is against online degrees). In my 17 years of experience in the field of instructional technology, I have sat on the hiring committees of many faculty and administrators. Just last week, I recommended someone with a DL doctorate for a teaching position (which I hope that she will get).

TUI professors in the health sciences are prolific publishers in peer reviewed journals such as JAMA and the likes. Just get some names of the professors in the health sciences and run them through peer reviewed journals databases and see what you get. I was hoping with TUI and TUCOM being accredited with no problem by WASC it would put an end to all these speculations about degrees earned from distance learning but apparently it has not.

There will be no end to "speculations" until we see more full-time tenure-track faculty in the colleges and universities. I am optimistic that this will be the case in the near future. If you would be so kind as to give the names of the professors and the names and issues of the journals, you would be performing a nice service to help end these "speculations".

There are no difference b/w degrees earned in-house (if you like that name) and those earned from other modes. Not in my line of work or those of my family members and friends who are incredibly successful in their chosen fields with degrees earned in various forms.

Sure there are differences. Anyone who knows anything at all about distance learning knows that differences exist between traditional and distance learning. However, those who claim that traditional face-to-face learning is inherently superior to distance learning do not have a research base to back up this opinion. Those of us who study distance learning (and I have recently finished a 250+ page study myself) know that research conducted since the 1920s has supported the idea that people can learn effectively at a distance. You and I are on the same side. It's the Luddites that are wrong, not us

Tony Pina
Coordinator of Learning Technologies
Northeastern Illinois University

Chair, Crystal Awards for Excellence in Distance Education
Division of Distance Learning, Association for Educational Communications & Technology

 

<<But no kidding here - the caliber of dissertations and research I read from well respected B&M programs is significantly higher than the DL world. >>

This is very interesting to me. I am a top executive for a real estate property management firm. If I have noticed any difference between DL and B&M graduates, it's that the B&M graduates are typically much younger and more inexperienced then their DL counterparts. I've noticed DL learners tend to be older than their B&M counterparts and are typically more able to apply their education to a real work environment. Don't get me wrong, both B&M and DL graduates seem to be bright and are usually sucessful, but I typically see harder work and faster results from the DL folks.

Another interesting note is that, at the mid-level manager positions, it is extremely common for the employees with lots of experience and no college education to out perform the college grads.

Pug

 

It's funny you should use that analogy because Mercedes has begun using Hyundai engines in some of its models.

Pug

 

Re: DL Ph.D

Not sure about ten years from now, but there will be a time someday soon when young kids in college will be utterly unable to believe that in the late twentieth and early twenty-first centuries we were so far lost in the Stone Age mentality that there were actually schools that didn't have DL.

 

Mercedes has not won consumer awards for quality in years. Lexus, Toyota, Acura and Honda take those honors. #2 only to Toyota in initial quality last year????? Yup, you guessed it, Hyundai tied with Honda. http://www.jdpower.com/awards/industry/pressrelease.asp?StudyID=854&CatID=1

Check out the link above. Three different surveys and Hyundai beat Mercedes in all three.

Pug

 

Guys......please, if you want to debate the relative merits of Mercedes vs. Hyundai, go start a thread in the Off-topic section.

Thanks!

 

Here's another perspective... After the first two years of coursework and comps, these B&M Ph.D. programs are part-time, as students are doing teaching assistantships almost full-time while working on their dissertation proposals and topics, and trying to get hits in A and B journals.

Dave