California Coast's founding date has been changed

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Re: Simple Answer

Another explanation could be that they were inorporated in April of 1973, but did not start their first classes untill January of 1974 (winter term). Thus both dates would be equally valid an correct, but the 1973 date is easier to verify.

Or like I said before there was a minor typographical error in the web page that was finally corrected a couple of years later.

 

Mr. Ruhl: "1973 or 1974 - who gives a rat's behind?"

John Bear: I do. But then, this school will be featured prominently in my posthumous edition.

 

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Is it GR or is it Pirates?

I kind of like the idea of a Pirates of Penzance explanation, but that doesn't jibe with a single year's jump.

But while we're combining invention, entertainment, and physics, do consider taking a look at the hyterical animated film The Triplets of Belleville. It shows the Einstein Equations at the bottom of the screen during one of the scenes. Why? Who knows!

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I received a university brochure from California Coast University in July 1999. The Title of the brochure is "1999-2000 BULLETIN".

Displayed on the top right-hand corner of the brochure is a logo. The Logo containes the words "25th Anniversary: 1973 to 1998".

Back in 1999 I too was confused with the discrepancy in dates between the university brochure and the CCU website. I contacted the university and asked them to clarify.

The response that I was provided was that the university was founded in the spring of 1973, the date reflected within the website (1974) was incorrect and that it would be changed.

 

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Thank you, Massalocin. Good. Nice simple answer. Now we can fret about other things for a while.

 

You were the one who raised the issue, John!

It is interesting that one school that you were associated with, John, used to claim, after it registered its name and corporate existence in Hawaii in 1990 (?), that it had a history going back to the 1970's.

This was clearly wrong and misleading as the institution that the newly-formed university was suppose to have 'incorporated' into its own history still existed as a corporation in the State of Missouri!

 

IMO this is an inconsequential... no doubt an administrative clarification or editorial correction. I think the real reason for mentioning this was to resurrect the issue of being slighted by Mr. Neal, which is related to a conversation ~25 years ago that now could now be out of context. I'd say let it go.

 

Kirkland: "I think the real reason for mentioning this was to resurrect the issue of being slighted by Mr. Neal"

Dear Mr. or Ms Kirkland: Being called a liar in public is rather more than 'being slighted.'

Amused: "You were the one who raised the issue, John!"

Dear Mr. or Ms. Amused: And I was the one who politely and calmly laid it to rest. So what was your purpose in saying this?"

Amused: "It is interesting that one school that you were associated with, John, used to claim, after it registered its name and corporate existence in Hawaii in 1990 (?), that it had a history going back to the 1970's."

Dear Mr. or Ms. Amused: Well I guess the only reason for that is that it was true and relevant. The non-for-profit International Institute, incorporated in Missouri in the early 1970's, did in fact become a legal affiliate of Greenwich University after Greenwich was incorporated in February 1990.

Amused: "This was clearly wrong and misleading as the institution that the newly-formed university was suppose to have 'incorporated' into its own history still existed as a corporation in the State of Missouri!"

Dear Mr. or Ms. Amused: I'm sorry, but it wasn't clearly wrong and misleading to the four of us who started Greenwich. The International Institute was intentionally being maintained as a Missouri corporation, and indeed during the time of my involvement, founder Alexander Niven (who taught in the St. Louis community college system and was the Austrian consul for Missouri) remained involved and maintained a small office in Missouri.

That said, after my departure from Greenwich and the International Institute (summer of '91) and Niven's subsequent death, I was concerned to note that the Greenwich literature suggested that Greenwich itself dated from the early 1970s, and I made my displeasure known to its owners, but had no role in what was said.

 

Interesting...

In a book that I possess, there is a reproduction of two documents that may be relevant here:

The first is a "Preliminary Information Form" for the Bureau of School Approvals, CA Dept. of Education and signed by Tom Neal for a school named "California State College of Santa Ana". The application states that this school was to be registered as a correspondence school that would award BA/MA/PhD in business administration/finance, economics/maketing/accounting, general engineering/transportation, political science/psychology and sociology/philosophy upon the completion of 1,000 hours. The document is dated July 10, 1974.

The second is an "Affidavit of President of Other Head of Corporation" for the CA Dept. of Education. It is signed Tom Neal, Inc. DBA, Executive Services Inc. The document says that "said corporation owns and operates an educational institution bearing the name California Western University. The date, interestingly enough, is July 11, 1974 (one day after the above document).

The same Main Street, Santa Ana address is listed for Tom Neal, Inc., Executive Services, Inc. California State College of Santa Ana and California Western University.

Obviously, the name "California State College of Santa Ana" was not a smart idea and, as we know, "California Western University", was changed to "California Coast University" when Neal lost the name infringement lawsuit brought on by California Western School of Law.

The dates of these documents (July 10 and July 11, 1974) are a bit interesting, however.

Tony Pina
Faculty, Cal State U. San Bernardino

 

Sounds like California Western U was already operating in July 1974. This doesn't clarify much.

 

I take it from this information that if the school was operating before July 1974 then it was operating without being registered.

 

The application was for a California State College Santa Anna, not California Western (later CCU). It states that Cal Western already existed.

No useful information is provided by these documents.

Operating without being registered, didn't Bernadean University do that for over 40 years?

 

Whether or not this possible discrepancy is true, I don't think CCU benefits from someone using Bernadean as the standard! Bernadean!

 

I actually spoke to Dr. Kadans? once. He was really old. He died not long after.