Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by Mitchell, Jun 25, 2003.
What should happen to her?
I just wanted to note that only one choice can be selected.
What are the standards for the positions she's held? If she's done no "wrong" then she's clear.
I'd also ask who does the vetting for DHS, White House duty and DoD. And if the vetting process is repeated for each position.
And how common is the use of degree mill degrees among gov't employees. Callahan may just be a conspicuous example of a common practice.
I doubt it is common practice for government employees to use degree mills. It is no more common for public employees than any other entity in the business or private sector.
I do not think it is fair to blame all for the fraudulent actions of one person.
My point would be that there is insufficient information upon which to make a decision.
I rarely discuss my votes, but I voted to fire her. This isn't Sally working down at the 7-11. This is someone working in a sensitive position for my government.
If she would lie about these things, what else would she lie about? I do believe it is a question of ethics. She has none.
I hope she resigns, and puts an end to this farce. Then remove Hamilton from her resume, and in a year or so, have a go in business using her real academic record.
You are so right. She should do the right thing and resign. I bet she does pretty soon.
To Bill Huffman and all,
Sorry, I overlooked checking the option for multiple responses to the poll. I will contact the administrator to see if that can be changed. Multiple responses would make for more interesting results I think. I realized my mistake after posting, but I wasn't aware of the 10 minute time frame for changing a post at the time.
No punishment 1 5.56%
Hamilton degrees removed from records 2 11.11%
Officially reprimanded 1 5.56%
Suspended 0 0%
Demoted 1 5.56%
Fired 9 50.00%
Fined 0 0%
Charged with crime/jail/prison 4 22.22%
This is playing out like "12 Angry Men."
I'd like to see those voting for firing or criminal charge justify their positions in stating what rule or law she has violated.
It is called fraud and I hope your surgeon has a degree from Hamilton, no make it your proctologist.
I'm withholding my vote for now. Have we definitely ascertained that she knew her Hamilton degrees were bogus? There is some small chance that she somehow believed the degrees were legitimate. After all, she was quite public about having the PhD from Hamilton.
Should we learn Dr. Callahan willfully misrepresented her credentials, I say fire her.
Should we learn Dr. Callahan was only foolish, other administrative actions may be more appropriate.
To qualify myself I know little about this. What did she lie about? Did she not say that her degree was from Hamilton? Did anyone ask her about specific questions about her degree? Was an accredited degree required for her position?
I truly am asking because I do not know. If the answer is no to the above then I do not think she should be fired if she is doing a good job.
On the contrary. There are quite a few government workers that use bogus degrees and inflated experience to secure positions within government. It's just that they haven't been caught.
It all depends on what your definition of the word "is" is.
Is it true are not true that you have a degree?
Laura: Well it depends on what your definition of a degree is.
Maybe she do the rope a dope like our former Pres.
He changed the definition of sex, and is. He also kept his job.
I voted for "Demoted". If she is demoted she will quit for good.
Thanks for the well wishes.
I read of one lawyer who who termed her actions "credential fraud" and, IIRC, I posted that to this forum. But I don't know that she's guilty of actual, actionable fraud. Do you?
Pres. Bill didn't have actual sex, he had a physical encounter with a person of the opposite sex.
He was just showing her his one eyed bed snake, and it spit at her!
Yes......but do the cleaning establishment folks who cleaned and pressed Monica's dress believe that?
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