Wyoming private school licensing-amendments.

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by louisnguyen27, Jan 5, 2006.

  1. louisnguyen27

    louisnguyen27 New Member

    I think some degree mills will be killed in Wyoming and reopen somewhere else in US. Anyway, I hope PUT will overcome to be accredited.
    Please look at this amendment

    Some schools in South East Asia were considered as Degree Mills because they tried to receive students as many as they could due to the following reasons:

    If they can be accredited, they will not be permited to offer all kinds of degrees. Therefore, after accreditation, they will lose some money.

    If they can not be accredited, they will close the schools and certainly, they lose money.

    Personally, I do not think that PUT is a degree mill. But I try to go to UNISA. Should you recommend me some cheap accredited DL Ph.D in the world?
  2. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    Please provide a link to the "PUT" web site.
  3. louisnguyen27

    louisnguyen27 New Member

    PUT is abbreviation of Paramount University of Technology, Wyoming.

    Kindly regards.
  4. DesElms

    DesElms New Member

    As I thought.

    Read this article.

    It is misleading to the reader to characterize Paramount as a reasonable choice for an education with any sort of practical utility.

    Occasionally agents and/or representatives of such as Paramount, in Asia and elsewhere, come here to promote such less-than-wonderful institutions so they can go back to said institutions and say, "See? Look! I got into DegreeInfo and put in a good word! See! I'm promoting... just like I promised I would, and as you're paying me to do."

    I don't want this thread to become anything like that, okay? Please proceed with extreme caution with regard to such as PUT.

    That said, I don't want to chill legitimate discussion about the amendment to which you linked us. That certainly seems worth exploring; and it would be nice if others could help you find a good, inexpensive, accredited DL doctoral program somewhere in the world, as you requested. UNISA's certainly a good start!
  5. louisnguyen27

    louisnguyen27 New Member

    I do not want to lead people to a wrong idea that PUT is a reasonable choice. You can see that I used "former PhD of PUT" and "Going to PhD of UNISA" in my signature. PUT is considered as a degree mills at this time but in the future. By the way, there is no official documents from US goverment that listed PUT as a degree mill (remember that the article you mentioned is just the news, is not official). Therefore, I am waiting for the new WY amendments to know about the fate of PUT and I keep asking people about cheap accredited DL PhD.
    Anyway, thank for giving me a gentle reminder.
  6. tesch

    tesch New Member

    IMHO, and in the opinion of most anyone who has even a clue about the bogus schools licensed to operate in Wyoming, consider Paramount University of Technology (PUT) to be right at the top of the degree mill pile of useless schools with worthless degrees. A quick Google search for “paramount university of technology mill” will produce volume after volume of articles. PUT also has no recognition as a legitimate school by states that closely examine or regulate the use or presentation of such bogus degrees.





    The material on the PUT website is laughable and clearly a sham to give an appearance of legitimacy to what is nothing more (IMO) than a fake school. Doctoral degrees - right!

    Nice try…. but Gregg pegged the starter of this thread right. In any case, the best thing for louisnguyen27 to do is simply remove any association to PUT and focus on his UNISA studies.

  7. galanga

    galanga New Member

    The day job of PUT's president...

    Saleem H Zaidi, president of PUT, is also the "Principal Investigator" for "Gratings, Inc.," a manufacturer of a variety of silicon (and other) structures, located in Albuquerqu, NM.
  8. bullet

    bullet New Member

    Re: The day job of PUT's president...

    Says he has a PhD in Physics............ummmmmmm.
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    PUT is a sad diploma mill. It is bad now and if history is any indication, it will continue to be bad into the future. Saying otherwise is disingenuous, at best. :rolleyes:
  10. Jake_A

    Jake_A New Member


    Is Wyoming state getting serious about its reputation as a haven for substandard entities and diploma mills, or what?

    Looks like year 2006 is going to be a good year for the citizens and sincere DL learners of the great state of Wyoming!

    Perpertually unaccredited and woefully substandard entities in Wyoming, and its many outright diploma mills, are being put on notice: This state is no longer going to tolerate the shenanigans.

    Get properly and legitimately accredited, as recognized by USDoE and/or CHEA - and get registerd - or else!

    Am I reading too much into, and putting too much enforcement faith, in these proposed bill's amendments?

    I hope not.

    May these bills pass the Wyoming State Legislature, in toto, soon!

    The reasons for my budding optimism?

    See these relevant sections, cited below, of said bill amendments.

    As you read these sections and excerpts, think of the notoriously unaccredited and un-wonderful KW"U"'s and Preston "U"'s of Wyoming (and California, formerly of Hawaii and Oregon and ...... and .....).

    I can't wait for the day the legislature passes these bills!

    Thank you, Wyoming DoE!



    21-2-402. Licensure; registration of private degree

    23 granting post secondary education institutions; fees;
    24 suspension and revocation.

    2006 STATE OF WYOMING 06LSO-0063.W3
    2 (a) Schools specified under W.S. 21-2-401(a)
    3 excluding those schools exempt under W.S. 21-2-406 and
    4 private degree granting post secondary education
    5 institutions subject to subsection (b) of this section,
    6 shall ...........

    13 (b) Private degree granting post secondary education
    14 institutions specified under W.S. 21-2-401(a) shall
    15 annually apply to the state department of education for a
    16 license registration under this article. Application shall
    17 be in a manner and on a form prescribed by the department
    18 and shall include: documentation or other verification of
    19 accreditation by an accrediting association recognized by
    20 the United States department of education and accepted by
    21 the department, or verification of candidacy or otherwise
    22 in the application process status for accreditation.

    23 Except as otherwise provided under this subsection,

    Another relevant section .......

    21-2-404. Operation without license or registration

    2 unlawful; soliciting business in public schools; furnishing
    3 list of students.
    5 (a) No person shall operate a school or institution
    6 as defined in W.S. 21-2-401 in Wyoming and no private
    7 school or institution shall conduct business in Wyoming
    8 without first obtaining a license or registration under
    9 this article.

    11 (b) Unless the school or institution, proprietor or
    12 its agent has been licensed or registered as required under
    13 this article, no official or employee of the Wyoming state
    14 department of education, any college or university within
    15 the state or any school district within the state, shall:
    17 (i) Permit the school or institution, or
    18 proprietor or agent thereof, to solicit business in any
    19 public school within this state; and
    21 (ii) Provide any list of students or other list
    22 of prospects to the school, institution or proprietor or
    23 agent thereof.
    2006 STATE OF WYOMING 06LSO-0063.W3
    1 (d) No school or institution licensed or registered
    2 under this article shall claim or advertise to prospective
    3 or enrolled students that it is accredited in the United
    4 States unless the named accrediting association, commission
    5 or other entity is approved by the United States department
    6 of education, or the council for higher education
    7 accreditation
    and if an institution described under W.S.
    8 21-2-401(b), is accepted by the department.

    More .............

    8 Section 3.
    10 (a) Any private degree granting post secondary
    11 education institution licensed to operate or do business in
    12 Wyoming under W.S. 21-2-401 through 21-2-407 prior to July
    13 1, 2006, shall on and after July 1, 2006, be registered
    14 with the Wyoming department of education pursuant to W.S.
    15 21-2-401(b), as amended under section 1 of this act, in
    16 order to continue to operate or do business in Wyoming.
    18 (b) The department of education shall by rule and
    19 regulation establish criteria to provide for the transition
    20 of private degree granting post secondary education
    21 institutions licensed prior to July 1, 2006, to
    22 registration requirements imposed under this act. Criteria
    23 shall include monitoring steps defining progress towards
    24 accreditation by a recognized accrediting association as

    2006 STATE OF WYOMING 06LSO-0063.W3
    1 required under W.S. 21-2-402(b), as amended under section 1
    2 of this act.
    4 Section 4. All rules and regulations promulgated by the
    5 state board of education pertaining to private school
    6 licensing under W.S. 21-2-401 through 21-2-407 in effect
    7 prior to the effective date of this section shall remain in
    8 effect and unaltered as rules and regulations of the
    9 department of education until amended or repealed by the
    10 department.
    12 Section 5.
    14 (a) Except as specified under subsection (b) of this
    15 section, this act is effective July 1, 2006.
    17 (b) Notwithstanding subsection (a) of this section,
    18 sections 3 and 4 of this act is effective immediately upon
    19 completion of all acts necessary for a bill to become law
    20 as provided by Article 4, Section 8 of the Wyoming
    21 Constitution.


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  11. AuditGuy

    AuditGuy Member


    21-2-401 (b)
    Applies to "Any private degree granting post secondary education institution shall prior to operating or doing business in this state OR CONTINUE DOING BUSINESS IN THIS STATE" (No grandfather clause)

    21-2-402 (b)
    Requires: "documentation or other verification of accreditation by an accrediting association recognized by the United States department of education and accepted by the department."

    "or verification of candidacy or otherwise in the application process status for accreditation" ... "up to a period of not to exceed five years".

    Is there a loophole in this last part that will buy the less-than-wonderfuls a couple years in candidacy with an agency with no real effort, before packing up their PO Box and moving on?
  12. louisnguyen27

    louisnguyen27 New Member

    :( Unfortunately, PUT's college in Malaysia was accredited by MoE so it is why I chose PUT. Anyway, I am going on with UNISA, but I do not understand the way that UNISA count the fees.

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