Why a non-RA school?

Bye the way I wouldn't go to FMU or UoPx either.

Theres better alternatives NA and RA..

I'm just trying to say just becasue a school is NA doesn't mean its education is worthless as the Headlines in that artical suggest

 

Are you talking about a complete program, or taking individual classes at multiple schools?

 

I suppose if I bothered to do a goggle search, I could find several incidents involving RA schools, one of them being UOP. I guess I am trying to say this is a tit for tat, or circular argument if you will.

All schools have there own acceptance provisions. For example, the University of Iowa might only give a certain percent of credit to someone who graduated from one of the Big 3, due to CLEP, DANTES, etc.


Take care,


Abner

 

I just found this on google Its good artical about transfering credit

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/10/19/transfer

 

Complete program.

Florida State University, University of Florida, University of Central Florida, University of South Florida, St. Petersburg College, Florida Atlantic University, Florida A&M, University of West Florida, University of North Florida, New College...all cheaper than FMU.

Much cheaper.

 

I don't now anything about FMU and its business practices and I'm not defending FMU

I'm not an expert or work in the field of education like yourself.

But schools accredit by ACICS are accredit schools and are recognized by the U. S. Department of Education.

I'm sure the Algerbra being taught at the school you work for is the same Algerbra being taught in ACICS accredit schools.

Even the spokesman from SACS in that artical didn't say FMU was inferior because it was accredit by ACICS. What she said was its the receiving Institutions responsible for setting their own transfer policies.

meaning Schools discriminate not the accrediting bodies

 

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From the article above:

In January 2002, FMU applied for membership to the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools, the traditional regional accreditor of institutions such as Duke University and the University of Florida. That August, Ann B. Chard, associate executive director of the regional association's accrediting commission, replied with a seven-page letter indicating FMU fell short, according to a copy filed as an exhibit in one of the court cases.

Ms. Chard's assessment cited FMU's "disproportionate number" of part-time faculty members -- 417 part-timers versus 134 full time. Ms. Chard also listed more than 50 faculty members who, in most cases, appeared "to lack the formal academic hours/degrees required." At FMU's Brandon location in suburban Tampa, one instructor had a nursing degree but taught medical law and ethics. The letter also questioned the size and staffing of the schools' libraries.

In March 2003, FMU withdrew its accreditation application to the Southern Association. Anna Marie Dunlap, Corinthian's senior vice president for investor relations, says Corinthian was concerned that the accrediting agency required it to freeze expansion during the review, which can take years.

Ms. Chard says FMU withdrew so early in the process that "no conclusions can be reached" about whether FMU could have gained membership.

Last September, many prospective FMU students received an anonymous email accusing the school of misleading students about accreditation and transferring credits, according to a lawsuit FMU filed against two former admissions reps and five "unnamed co-conspirators." The suit, filed in Hillsborough County Circuit Court in Tampa, accuses the former employees of theft of trade secrets and defamation.

The email said an FMU degree could be "a very expensive mistake," according to a copy filed in court. "You will have great difficulty finding another school that will accept any of the work that you have done here."

Stephen Backhus, a former FMU admissions rep named in the suit, says he wrote and sent the email. He says he felt guilty about enrolling students. "I couldn't take it anymore," he says. FMU fired Mr. Backhus in October last year for his role in contacting students.

 

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I can't agree with you. I went to the FMU campus in Jacksonville when I was looking at getting an MBA to "replace" my CCU MBA before they were DETC.

They were very professional and kind. I decided not to go with they and I received one phone call and one letter asking if there was anything they could do to help with my educational plans.

I did not feel it was high pressure at all.

 

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I know of someone that had an FMU BS and is not in UoP's MBA program. If you can not get into the program you want, is it the schools fault? My niece did not get into UF's pharmacy program with a BS in Chemistry from the University of New Haven but she did get into Nova's program.

The FMU degree is not like a K-W degree.

 

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CORRECTION
I know of someone that had an FMU BS and is now in UoP's MBA program.

 

When you say "many RA schools are cheaper" than the NA, which specific schools are you referring to? I know that Fort Hays State University is a bargin, at least at the undergraduate level. If you want an MBA from FHSU your looking at over $400.00 per credit hour. RA for profit schools like Capella, UoP, Walden, NCU are extremely if not astronomically expensive.

Troy University's master's program is at $290.00 per credit hour and their MBA program is $410.00 per credit hour.

University of Wisconsin (Whitewater) is at $550.00 per credit hour and they boast the AACSB accreditation (is it really worth it?)

Dominguez Hills is ranging at $315.00 per credit hour for the master's program.

University of Illinois is $535 per credit hour.

Obviously, these are jsut a few examples and there are some exceptions where a few RA schools could be cheaper than the most expensive NA school, but as the list above shows RA is still quite pricey.

Now, the NA contenders are as follows:

Aspen University - $250.00 per credit hour

California Coast University -
Undergraduate $105.00 per credit
Graduate $170 per credit

California National University -
Undergraduate $270.00 per credit
Graduate $300.00 per credit

Columbia Southern University -
Undergraduate $175.00 per credit
Graduate $240.00 per credit

Southwest University
Undergraduate $165 per credit
Graduate $250.00 per credit

Overall NA continues to be more affordable than RA and they will continue to be because NA has less overhead and no campus with sports stadiums and theaters that are needed. Plus a majority of NA professors are adjunct and they don't need to pay for full time professors with benefits and medical.

DETC students are geared towards "independent study" and you don't have a professor holding your hand the entire time. If you need help you ask and you shall receive. If you don't, follow the course syllabus and complete the required work. Your not under the vice grip of the professor and you can accelerate through the course work if you're able. If not, you still have to complete all the assignments within the alloted time.

 

Just a minor correction for the sake of accuracy. CCU's tuition for undergrad is $85.00 for U.S. residents, $105.00 for non U.S. residents. Sorry, I don't mean to be a nitpicker.

A huge advantage schools like Andrew Jackson and CCU have, is there $100.00 monthly payment plan, with no interest! You can't beat it. I don't know of any other business that will let you pay something with no interest. This is important for somone like me, because I have always paid for my own education with no help from my employer, or anyone else for that matter.

Carry on Gentleman!


Abner

 

I should have added $85.00 per credit, $105.00 per credit non us resident.

Thanks,

P.S. Take care Jon!


Abner )

 

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Of course not. You must agree it's not much of an accomplishment, though. To me, FMU is way too expensive for what it provides.

 

Well of course not. Even FMU education is certainly not worthless. The point is that it's degree, while still not worthless, certainly worth less than an equivalent RA one.

 

Yes, AND, it is largely a moot point. We are in DL forum here, aren't we? A student doesn't get an "RA degree", s/he gets a degree from ONE particular school. What difference does it make how much the "majority" charges? All we need is ONE affordable school for a particular need, and this forum is wery good at finding one. Sometimes it's Penn Foster or Tufts, but generally, there is an RA or GAAP school for almost anyone!

 

That is rather difficult to quantify. The degree, regardless of RA or NA does not make the person. Having been both in the private and public sector, I believe a degree is merely a piece of paper to gain entrance into employment. If the person does not perform well, they will be dismissed for poor performance.

Being that I work for the Workforce divsion in State government, I am in constant contact with hiring professionals of major corporations. I have posed the question of RA/NA to the folks doing the direct hiring. The stated to me they mostly look at an individuals work history, then check degrees for "recognition". Apparently the most common tool used is a book with a long title. I forget the title, but this book has lists of recognized accreditors, RA and NA, and is common in the H.R. field.

Of course, one can say "Well, you cannot teach with an NA degree". This is rather irrelevant because one should not pursue a NA degree in order to teach. If a individual does not do the proper research and at least speak to a career counselor (free at most CC's), then they are remiss. In my situation, I am pursuing a B.S. from CCU, and I have no desire to teach in academia. Back in 1984 I was a bilingual Instructor for the local elementary school district while going to a B&M college. That took any future aspirations of teaching in academia right out of my head. The only thing I wish to teach is martial arts, and I am more then legally qualified to do so.

In summation, a degree is only useful if its owner has the motivation and desire to suceed in life.

Just my humble opinion,


Abner

 

Almost every single RA school I checked in Florida is cheaper than the per-credit costs you listed in your post.

Heck, I'm personally paying $66 per undergraduate credit at SPC.