No way this could be Uncle Janko's wife. AuntJanko is affiliated with the Wisconson Synod, which is anathema to Uncle Janko. She is probably a distant Carpathian cousin, adopted as a child, who now seeks revenge on all the Janko clan.
Is Janko a first name or last name? I have always assumed it's a first name (and possibly a Carpathian version of John?).
As usual, Vladica, your sense of humour backfires. I'm Wisconsin Synod. Your attempt to be funny in this instance is simply offensive and disturbing, and comes close to being unethical, since you state an antagonism between me and my church body which does not exist. I respect you as a bishop; please retract your statement. __________ Oxpecker, it is my first name.
Janko, May I ask you with all due respect what faith do you profess? I don't come often to the Off Topic section and I guess I didn't get it. Just in case you care, I was raised as a Catholic but as of today I am an agnostic. Cordial greetings
Maybe its the LCMS that UncleJanko is perturbed with?? I vaguely recall him (or someone) stating that the LCMS school I went to in Mequon Wisconsin is not as stellar an institution as the Wisconsin Synod one in the same town. BTW isn't Janko a slavic name anyway? If UncleJanko is CarpathoRuthenian then his ancestral faith tradition would be Orthodox or Uniate Catholic. Anyway I'm Orthodox not Lutheran, so the distinction between the Wisconsin and Missouri Synod is unclear to me. At Concordia, the faculty just got a wierd look on their faces whenever the *other* Lutherans were mentioned so I never pursued the question. I suspect the differences are about the same as the diffferences between Greek and Russian Orthodoxy, too small to mention. Of course, Greeks do make better Baklava than Russians...
That's enough, kids. JLV: see the post above. Chris: I don't think much of the LCMS but have had no recent controversy with them. When I called them "liberal" it upset some people; you can go search old threads for the minor brouhaha. I was at some pains quite a while back to distinguish the legitimate "Concordia" colleges and seminaries, most of which are LCMS institutions, from the fraudulent Concordia Theologica Seminary run by a serial mill operator. The Fort Wayne LCMS seminary is Concordia Theological Seminary, and the St Louis seminary is Concordia Seminary. It seemed regrettable that real and honorable schools should be confused with a complete fake. What I am perturbed with is Bishop Russell's suggestion, jest or no, that I am at odds with my church body. This is not so, and echoes some of the slanders uttered against me on another forum by the abovementioned mill operator and his cohorts. The good bishop usually tries to say he was only kidding, and usually that's good enough. Not here. Also, don't diagnose ancestral religion quite so quickly. Both your guesses are wrong. Regards to both of yuns, Janko Carpathicus
I think the thread you are referring to was a jest made by this ELCA member that the LCMS is only relavtively liberal, and to some is condiered fairly conservative. But, I wasn't offended as I was baptised in what became LCMS and spent a fair amount attending what was then ALC (which is still the liberal wing of the ELCA). So from one "frozen chosen" to another grace unto you.
So from one "frozen chosen" to another grace unto you. __________________ Mike Albrecht Didn't realize presbyterian was spoken here!
Janko, Perhaps you have previously stated your connection to the Wisconson Synod, but frankly I didn't remember this. My statement was not intended to suggest "an antagonism between [you] and [your] church body." Rather, it was intended as a point of jest between the mythical poster "Aunt Janko" and yourself, indicating that this was not the real Mrs. Janko. If this was offensive/disturbing to you it was not intended as such.
Uncle Janko wrote: I was at some pains quite a while back to distinguish the legitimate "Concordia" colleges and seminaries, most of which are LCMS institutions, from the fraudulent Concordia Theologica Seminary run by a serial mill operator. The Fort Wayne LCMS seminary is Concordia Theological Seminary, and the St Louis seminary is Concordia Seminary. It seemed regrettable that real and honorable schools should be confused with a complete fake. ------------------------------------------------- Hear hear!! It just burns me that my alma mater should have the same name as that Liberian monstrosity. However, there is a very fine institution in Canada named Concordia. A rose by any other name. Uncle Janko then wrote: What I am perturbed with is Bishop Russell's suggestion, jest or no, that I am at odds with my church body. This is not so, and echoes some of the slanders uttered against me on another forum by the abovementioned mill operator and his cohorts. The good bishop usually tries to say he was only kidding, and usually that's good enough. Not here. Also, don't diagnose ancestral religion quite so quickly. Both your guesses are wrong. Regards to both of yuns, Janko Carpathicus ----------------------------------------------- Actually it was your use of the Slavonic term "Vladika" that really threw me a bit since I have only *ever* enountered that term in Orthodoxy. The only people I have ever heard use the term are E. Orthodox or Byzantine Catholic folks. So do we have a real Bishop on this forum? Oh by the way, Christos Anesti! Christos Voskrese! Christ is Risen! Slava Isusu Christu,
Speaking of Lutherans Uncle J. Actually, one ought not make too much of ancestral denominational affiliations. I recently became aware of a group of Lutherans in central Ukraine who have a seminary called St. Sophia and use a modified verson of the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. Kinda blew my socks off that a group of self-described Lutherans would use the Divine Liturgy of Chrysostom.
OK Chris, now you're on the right track, despite that "self-described." The Ukrainian Lutherans you mentioned are in communion with my Synod. Lutherans have always retained the historic liturgy in situ, modified to meet the exigencies of Lutheran theology, except when unduly influenced by pietism or protestantism. Accordingly, confessional Lutherans in the Ukraine use either the Roman or the Byzantine Rite, depending on the ethnic background of the parish (or perhaps of the pastor, if it is a new mission). The nearly universal use of the modified Roman Rite among Lutherans is a matter of ethnic and geographical accident. Although the term "Mass" is used in our confessional documents, this does not make the modified Roman Rite alone normative. And, yes, the term Vladica (in Romanian) is a loan-word of Slav origin. However, there have been TWO fake Concordias: the Liberian job you mentioned and the equally infamous "Concordia Theologica" I mentioned. If you wish to find out more about the second, use the search function. I'll say no more... Oh, and yes, Vladica Russell is a real mensch and a real bishop, just not very funny, and his apology is humbly accepted by the old Carpathian, who knows from his own experience what aging does to memory. Eis polla eti, despota! Best wishes, Janko Hristos a înviat!
My feeble attempts at humor have historically been taken as such by the old Carpathian. Of course, those attempts were usually directed toward issues of a more millish nature. Perhaps this time the humor was a bit closer home, which has apparently placed the old mountain man in a state of semi-paranoia. Be brave, Janko. No one is comin to git ya..........
