Who has a good, accredited,cost effective DBA?

My course is not a degree program

The Institute I'm working on (currently recording the Mathematical Methods class) is not an MBA. This is due to the fact that I don't have a PHd in every separate discipline I teach.
I offer coursework with the same level of difficulty I had to take it at Boston U. I had a 3.73 CUM and finished the degree in a year.
Licensing restrictions in NJ don't enable me to call this an MBA, or a degree. I'm aiming at corporations looking to give their people quality training or entrepreneurs looking to get an MBA type education (and I also am working on other business classes).
Obviously, I could move to Wyoming and put myself right in Hamilton's face. I'm just trying to give people a valid education.
You could buy any/all of the courses and not take the exams, cases or do any papers if you just want an alternative to buying a book (like those Idiot guides I mention in my website).
I'm not targeting people who want MBA's to look for a new job. Just people who's corporations want to give them my training or business owners who want to learn what the B-schools teach.
For the record, I'm interested in DETC accreditation, but you have to be in business for 2 years to get their acceptance. I feel I have an uphill battle to face, but it'll be worthwhile.
I want the Doctorate just to further my studies, not really to add validity to my business. I know local business consultants who don't even mention their educational background.

 

Re: Try the Richard M Green Institute of BusinessDBA?

 

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Richard Green's reply: My exams, case studies and papers will be on a graduate level. I'm not giving anything away for free. I'm out to teach business survival skills.
I actually got the idea for this from my music teacher, Jim Sutton. He has a guitar correspondence course on the web.
I took his theory course and got a 96 a few years ago.
While I took music theory in college, Jim's course taught me things I didn't know for a budget price (There are other schools too, like PGS, MusicYourWay, Guitar Colllege that offer graded home study programs). So why not start a business training institute that focuses on quality at a budget price?
If I can offer corporations and business owner training that'll help them why not? And while going for my PHD, I can then add PHD level classes to the roster.

 

Just to clarify, a school needs to have been in operation (actually educating students) for 2 years before it can even apply for DETC accreditation. (Unless the organization already owns another accredited university, in which case the 2-year wait is waived. So the joint ownership of Cardean and ISIM allowed the former to avoid the 2-year pre-application wait.)

 

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Mr. French, you seem to be very afraid of another scam. I'm not a scam. If you want to talk to me about all of this you can call me at (732)296-0303 during the day and (732)376-1500 during the evenings.
I'm simply trying to provide training to business owners/corporations as an alternative to costly schools. Taking my courses won't necessariy take less time than taking an MBA or MSM (Master of Science in Management).
If an individual wants to go to Harvard to get their MBA it's fine with me. If a company wants to send an employee that's fine with me. I can and will provide Boston U level training to people at a budger price. So effectively, I'm competing for dollars with BU, my alma mater.
Why it's a certificate instead of an MSM or MBA is due to the fact that I'd need a terminal degreee in every course that I'm teaching to call it a Masters level degree program.
Also, MY MSM degree isn't accredited even though I got it from Boston University. It was "recommended by the faculty of BU".

 

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I have a "Questions and Answers" page on my website now.
You should note that I haven't started the business yet. I'm still recording the Mathematical Methods class. When that class and the Mangerial Accounting and Probality and Statistics class are done, then I'll start to promote the course.
I'm still searching for suitable textbooks for the latter 2 classes, I don't feel the Schaum's Guides are sufficient for these topics but it is sufficient for the Math class.
I'm really not thrilled with being attacked like I was by Mr. French. A lot of people who got the training I went through at BU went on to become very successful managers and a lot of people who were already successful managers got promoted.
One of my fellow classmates, now works for the Boston Consulting Group and he takes classes in Harvard. PS, I got better grades than him.

 

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I agree, we have to respect people in this group. Don't take it as a personal attack, what happen is that we have a lot of people comming to this group to promote degree mills and we are a bit paranoid.
Some people come here and will initiate a thread on a degree mill more to attract customers than really ask for an opinion.

I found very professional from you to explain who you are and give us your telephone number. We are just a little tired of people that will initiate discussions like "Harvard MBA vs Kennedy Western" just to attract attention.

 

Touro University International offer the Ph.D. in Business Administration. The degree is a full research degree requiring 44 units before candidacy and then 2 units per semester thereafter. Assuming 2 years in candidacy (8 semesters), one could expect to complete 44 + 16 = 60 units. At $500.00 per unit, the total tuition is approximately $30K, perhaps less, so the costs and caliber are within the range of these schools. The pedagogy is 100% online.

Cheers,

Dave

 

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OK, OK ... I accept what you say.

Just 2 questions:

1. Why would people pay your outfit for something that is equal to an accredited degree, but isn't and would never give the participants the chnace to get credits somehwere else?

2. Can you briefly explian what you mean ab out your BU degree not being accredited? If BU is accredited then the degree is an accredited degree? ...or do you mean by the 'professionals'?

 

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Yeah, you guys really are paranoid. I think Mr. French is really having a hard time.
If you want to understand why so many of these shools, good and bad are starting up, it's pure economics. When an economic profit is being made in a given industry, it attracts new people into the industry. By economic profit, I mean Revenue less Variable costs less Fixed Costs less Opportunity Costs.
An opportunity cost (for someone who doesn't know what that is) is the cost of doing something else. For example the cost of just finding a better job, etc.
Another way of looking at it is from a rate of return perspective. Let's say I have a minimum rate of return of 12 percent on my investment. If I make 8 percent, I don't meet my minimum rate of return. If I make 12 % I just make it and if I make 15% I exceed the profit margin I want.
All these spiffy techniques are what I teach in my course. Specifically in managerial Economics. Also, as more people enter a given market, the quality should go up as competition increases. That's what I'm trying to do.
Look at it from my perspective: I went to a good school, was a successful scholar, became a business person and am no offering courses to teach other companies and individuals. Realize that a company won't hire me unless they're convinced I can give them better bang for their buck (given their cost contraints) than if they go elsewhere.

 

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Anwers to questions:
1. People would go with me based upon the fact that they would be interested in the training I offer as opposed to just having letters after their name. The way I figure it, if I offer quality training, the word will get out. In economics it's called "perfect information", (actually it's just the aspect of information in general"- currently, I have to brush up on my economics myself I'm rusty right now)".
As far as not giving them the chance to get credits somewhere else, if they can take my exams, all of them, and pass them, they can get the certificate. They'd have to buy the course materials and pay for my grading the exams. I plan a rather low penetration price of about 100 bucks per course and 25/exam.
So why would a person/corporation buy a book like "Portable MBA in Finance" when they could take a course offering exercises and exams so they would know where they really stand in terms of having learned the material? I'm focusing on knowledge.
Remember, I'm gearing myself towards companies who want to give their people training to move them up in the company or to make them more effective, and also business owners who might want to learn marketing stragegies, managerial accounting etc.

2. My degree from BU was done in Israel in '85 to '86. It was done in conjunction with Ben Gurion U of the Negev in Beer Sheba, Israel. BU eventually did the MSM degree in Belgium
(that was the first location, still ;up and running), Paris, France and Beer Sheba (it's near the Dead Sea, and it's hot as heck in the summer). Currently, the program is completely redesigned to have an international slant. Also, it's only available in Belgium.
(see bu.edu/met).
When I took the course, the brochure clearly stated that the MSM degree was not accredited (presumably by the AACSB) but was recommended by the faculty of BU. So evidently, individual degree programs also have to be scrutinized not just the overall university's reputation. The degree was using the rep of BU, even though it wasn't accredited.
The MSM degree consisted of 10, 3 credit courses. The first 2 semesters were 3 and a half months long. The third was 3 months long. The degree took about a calendar year from start to finish.

 

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So the MSM was regional accredited since it was given by BU but not AACSB accredited. With so many accreditation bodies this starts to get really confusing, so according to your AACSB accreditation criteria, none of the DBAs discussed previously are AACSB accredited and so not accredited.

 

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I thought I already posted answers up but in short:
1. The good word should get out. Markets tend to have access to information these days about everything. Also, all someone has to do to get the certificate is pass my exams. They do have to take the courses though. I'm planning a price of $100/course
and 25/per graded exam. So why buy an "Idiots' Guide" and why spend $20K on a course that does the same thing. Remember, I'm geared to in-house corporate training and entrepreneurs.
If an entreprenuer just buys the "Portable MBA in Finance" without having test and feed back, how does he know how well he understands the material? Since I took all these courses in college, I can provide guidance.
Would a company rather send a person to an accredited school that's inferior to mine? NOt if I can convince them they'll learn more with me and be a more effective manager as a result.
Will an entreupreuneer want to buy an "Idiot's Guide" rather than my course? Not if he has some self-esteem (I"m being somewhat fascious here) and realizes he's better off with me.
I'm content driven.
Realize I can't call my degree an MBA or MSM because my hands are tied in NJ.
2, My BU degree was done in Israel in an overseas program in conjunction with an Israeli University in Beer Sheba. The MSM is currently being done in Belgium. See bu.edu/met.

 

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Actually what I meant to say was that the MSM isn't accredited at all from what I know. BU simply used their reputation to recommend the degree. And hundreds of people have taken that course because it taught them skills they needed to know.
One of the classmates I mentioned in a previous posts worked for Scitex, an imaging firm. His company lost 91million dollars one quarter. Hence, his company shipped him back to school to get trained in American techniques.
Also, the MSM like my certificate, is made for companies and people who are time and budget constrained. The training is made to be completed in a calendar year full time at a low cost.

 

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I'm thoroughly confused.

If you got a degree, you received a diploma, I presume. Some university's name is on it, right?

So if it was a Boston University degree you received, even if the instruction was delivered at a remote site in Israel, then the degree is regionally accredited. (I don't know if AACSB accreditation would extend.)

But if it was a Ben Gurion University degree, then why tell us that it was a BU degree? Ben Gurion University is a completely respectable university in its own right, and has the Israeli equivalent of accreditation.

Either way, the degree is accredited (or the foreign equivalent). I fail to see how you could receive a completely unaccredited degree from either one of these schools.

 

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I'm going to try to explain this again. By the way check out bu.edu/met the MSM degree comes up under either "locations" or "internatioanal programs".
When I got this degree, the brochure I received from BU clearly stated that the degree wasn't accredited right upfront. Yes BU is accredited and BGU is also a good school but from what I deduce, individual programs also have to be scrutinized. BU does the MSM degree overseas and not in America. So perhaps that's why they don't apply for AACSB accreditation.
Also, the BGU teachers demanded more from us mathematically than the BU profs did. And when I took statistics my teacher Abraham Mehrez (now deceased may he rest in peace) told me, "of all the students [you're the only one who understands the theoretical underpinnings of what I'm trying to teach]". I got a 100 on his test.
I'm really not more up on the whole accreditation thing right now. I'm going to read Dr. Bear's book again on it tonight. But I don't think it's such a big deal in terms of a degree I got 16 years ago.
Contrast my grad degree with my undergrad at Empire State College's Israel program. The program was accredited in the Middle States Association. Actually, I took the bulk of my business credits with Long Island U (had a 3.94 CUM there). Do you think a degree from ESC is better than one from BU simply because it's accredited? I don't.

 

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The degree was done through a collaboration between Boston U and Ben Gurion U of the Negev at BGU. I lived in Beer Sheba in the school's dorms when I got the degree. The degree later on was also done in Tel Aviv and later, from what I gathered,
BU started to only do the degree in Tel Aviv.
Tel Aviv U (TAU) also has a business degree. Their MBA, in Hebrew, takes 3 years to complete. I wasn't going to go there.

 

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I don't think you should be so confused. The BU degree in Belgium is also a joint program.

 

The recognized regional accrediting associations evaluate and accredit academic institutions as a whole, as does DETC. There are also specialized and professional associations which accredit programs or departments within an institution.

For example, the University of Iowa is accredited by the North Central Association; its School of Library Science is accredited by the American Library Association.

If Boston University awarded your degree, then you have a degree from an accredited institution, as BU is accredited by the New England Association of Schools & Colleges. However, the academic program within BU may not have had additional accreditation by a professional association such as AACSB.