What's better: PhD from a .com school or a DBA from a B&M?

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  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Actually, AACSB accredited schools have less stressful positions than smaller non AACSB accredited schools. Devry for example, requires you to teach 5 courses per term and they have 4 terms per year, it only gives you a month vacation. At larger AACSB more research oriented schools, professors only teach 4 courses during two terms ( 9 months).

    In my experience, it is a lot more difficult to find even a 60K position with a non AACSB doctorate. The unemployment for people with AACSB accredited doctorates is almost zero. Many people that I know with non AACSB accredited doctorates only find adjunct or online teaching positions.
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I do not believe that AACSB actually requires the institutions it accredits to hire a specific percentage of faculty members who hold degrees from AACSB-accredited institutions.
     
  3. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    I am not sure where your PhD is from. It is AACSB?
     
  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    No, and for this reason I recommend getting an AACSB accredited one.
    There is no actual requirement by AACSB that requires to hire PhDs from AACSB accredited schools so I'm sure exceptional people without accredited doctorates get hired all the time.
     
  5. DegreeDazed

    DegreeDazed Member

    Thanks for your wisdom. Do you hold a doctorate degree? If so, where is it from? You speak like you are an expert in the field so I expect that you hold a prestigious doctorate from some great institution.
     
  6. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Not even close of being an expert and not a doctorate from a prestigious institution. I have only been in this forum for more than 10 years and learned a thing or two by reading posts.
     
  7. DegreeDazed

    DegreeDazed Member

    What school did you earn your doctorate from?
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Wait, do you seriously believe that whether a school is prestigious and whether its graduates have expertise are that closely related?
     
  9. SurfDoctor

    SurfDoctor Moderator Staff Member

    Oh, they are related alright, inversely. :smile:
     
  10. okydd

    okydd New Member

    As of December 2011, 643 member institutions hold AACSB Accreditation. Overall, 43 countries and territories are represented by AACSB-accredited schools. Of the accredited schools:
    42** institutions have undergraduate programs only (6% of accredited members)
    27** institutions have master's and doctoral programs only (4% of accredited members)
    176 institutions have AACSB’s additional accounting accreditation (28% of accredited members) In Canada 19 institutions hold aacsb accreditation. Three of the top business schools do not, Western, Macgill and York. An MBA from western is money in the bank. In the u.k Oxford do not. Aacsb is good to have, however are we making too much of it?
     
  11. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    With only 4% of the institutions having AACSB that offer PhDs, how many offer a DL option? I know of one - Kennesaw State University and it has a residency requirement. I am sure there are others but that is simply not a viable option for most people that are employed fulltime. Where are the other 26 institutions? Do they even offer DL options? Is the statement of "get an AACSB PhD" chasing a phantom? Is it like saying get a medical degree or a law degree - sure you can get one but there are not really DL options?
     
  12. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member


    I have seen the local liberal arts college that had an opening for a management professor that required a 3/1/3 load. The local state college is a 3/2/3 load and starting salary for a PhD is $65K. While the salary is in line with DeVry, the work load is half.

    How difficult is it to get tenure? I read someplace (I think here) that tenure is becoming increasingly difficult to find/obtain.
     
  13. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    The academic market is international, if you are willing to move and you graduate from an AACSB accredited school, I can say that chances are pretty high.

    If your doctorate is from a non AACSB accredited school, then you are competing with a large group of people and chances decrease but it doesn't mean you cannot get one.

    There is also an increasing number of non tenure track positions that require only an AACSB accredited Master's. I think this type of positions might be more suitable for people with doctorates from online institutions. In this case, the doctorate is not required but having one doesn't hurt and might be a differentiator.

    You asked about AACSB accredited DL options. There are few if you are open to non US options but none of them are cheap. You must be ready to spend around 100K in your education if this is your goal and be ready to spend at least 5 years of study. Check Henley Buness School, Queensland University of Technology, Grenoble and University of Manchester.
     
  14. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I was looking at Henley's tuition fees and if someone is really committed to finish a DBA in 4 years, the tuition breakdown would look like this:

    Year 1 10,000 pounds
    Year 2 5,000 pounds
    Year 3 9,300 pounds
    Year 4 3,100 pounds (assuming that draft of thesis was already sent)

    Total 27,400 pounds

    This is about 42K USD, it is even cheaper than some popular options with Capella and NCU but you would end with a AACSB accredited doctorate from a top British school.


    http://www.henley.reading.ac.uk/web/FILES/management/Fees-DBAMSc-2011.pdf
     
  15. okydd

    okydd New Member

    Where is the empirical evidence, that being a graduate of an aacsb school is a clear competitive advantage to gaining a teaching position or employment in general? I falsely came to the conclusion that aacsb schools had to have a certain percentage aacsb graduate on staff. Now I am questioning some of my other believes. Are there any scholarly research that *aascb graduates are more competitive? In the US many of the name brand schools are accredited by aacsb. Which came first the name brand of the schools or the aacsb accreditation?
     
  16. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Here is breakdown for fees for the University of Manchester

    Fees - Manchester Business School

    This is about 70K USD, it only 20K more from some of the popular options like Capella but you would end with a top ranked doctorate from an AACSB accredited doctorate that should help anyone to get a tenure track from any good school.

    There is a lot of debate about DL doctorates but this type of programs have existed in Europe and Australia for decades and have graduated hundreds of professors working at many top ranked schools.

    In my opinion, it is not about the form of delivery but credibility of institution at the end of the day.
     
  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Many research studies, unfortunately don`t really have the time to start collecting them and share them here. I have spoken and provided some leads, if someone really wants to find out the information is not so hard to find. If someone wants to dish the 50K for an online doctorate from a virtual school that might lead only to low paid online canned moderation gigs, I`m not the one who will prevent them from doing this.
     
  18. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    Each institution (and departments within an institution) sets up its own criteria for hire. In many schools of business, AACSB is vital, but other factors play a significant role (often more significant than where one earns a degree). These include having a degree in a particular area of the institution's need (e.g. accounting, international marketing, e-commerce, I.T. management), a record of scholarship (publishing, presenting grants, etc.) and a history of successful teaching.

    Speaking of successful teaching: there have been quite a few comments about "canned courses." I would like one or more of my colleagues to explain what is meant by a "canned" course and what and what the characteristics of an "uncanned" online course would be.
     
  19. DegreeDazed

    DegreeDazed Member

    RFValve, where did you earn your doctorate from?
     
  20. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    My NCU PhD was under $25K and it was only $3K out of pocket. If I was going to pay $50K I might have gone with Nova and just dealt with the residency. I realize NCU went up. How much is Capella?
     
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