West Haven University, School of Nursing

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  1. jek2839

    jek2839 New Member

    Is anyone aware of West Haven University in Salt Lake City, Utah.
    I found it listed on the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education list of Approved Institutions.


    BS-MSN Program
    Earn your MSN Degree online

    RN-BSN Program
    RN's earn your BSN Degree online.

    Ph.D. Program
    RN's earn your Ph.D. online.

    California Law School
    You will be transferred to our California site.

    West Haven University has been granted a full, unrestricted license to offer the Bachelors, Masters, and Doctor of Philosophy in Nursing Degree Programs by the State of Utah, Department of Commerce, Division of Consumer Protection, License # 5167314-9984.

    West Haven University is a member in good standing with the National League for Nursing, Membership # 412808. Please see our note regarding pursuit of accreditation on here.

    West Haven University is a member in good standing with the National Student Nurses Association as a Sustaining Member.

    West Haven University is a licensed Continuing Education Provider of the California Board of Registered Nursing, CEP 13265.

    Many states accept courses offered by West Haven University for the purposes of nurses renewing their license. This is usually based on WHU's approval as a university in Utah and California. Check with your state for approval status before taking any course to satisfy CEU requirements.

    West Haven University, Cypress, California is registered with the Committee of Bar Examiners of the State Bar of California. Graduates are eligible to sit for the State Bar and become attorneys in California.

    Salt Lake Area Chamber of Commerce; Cypress Chamber of Commerce; The California Association of Private Postsecondary Schools; The California State Bar; American Association of Legal Nurse Consultants; and the National Association of Paralegals.

    West Haven University is licensed as a postsecondary educational institution, authorized to confer the Bachelor of Science in Nursing Degree, Master of Science in Nursing Degree, and the Doctor of Philosophy in Nursing Degree. The focus of the advanced degrees (master's and Doctoral programs) is in nursing administration and is geared toward preparing students for the highest level of leadership in the health care industry.

    The accreditation process is long and convoluted. As a nurse you may have been involved directly or indirectly in accreditation of a hospital and understand that the process requires considerable effort, time, and resources to achieve. The accreditation of a university parallels in many respects that same laborious process a hospital goes through to gain accreditation. The basic difference is the long wait required for educational institutions.

    Most nurses are concerned about National League of Nursing Accreditation. As a note, the National League for Nursing does not accredit doctoral programs. It does accredit Bachelor and Master degree programs but can only accredit universities that have regional accreditation. Regional accreditation usually takes approximately five years. Under the Utah license, West Haven University has been in existence for three years and plan to seek and achieve regional accreditation for the Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges during the year 2006. This would be before any of the students enrolling in the current program graduates. We anticipate full accreditation and will be seeking National League of Nursing Accreditation at the same time.


    West Haven University has been granted a full, unrestricted license to offer the Bachelors, Masters, and Doctor of Philosophy in Nursing Degree Programs by the State of Utah, Department of Commerce, Division of Consumer Protection, License # 5167314-9984. Registration under the Utah Postsecondary Proprietary Act does not mean that the State of Utah supervises, recommends, nor accredits the institution. It is the student's responsibility to determine whether credits, degrees or certificates from the institution will transfer to other institutions or meets employers' training requirements. This may be done by calling the prospective school or employer.

    ABOUT West Haven University:
    West Haven University's ultimate goal is to establish a full service university with a wide range of programs offered exclusively on the Internet. To this end we have made the decision that no course or program will be offered in a traditional distance learning mode such as correspondent study where a student studies on his/her own and submits course assignments for grading though the mail. Instead, the student must attend class on the Internet in a lecture hall, complete assignments on time, and take active part in the educational process. Students registering for West Haven University will find virtually no difference between the quality of education received at West Haven University and that offered at a traditional, campus based institution.

    The institution is not accredited by a regional or national accrediting agency recognized by the United States Department of Education.
  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    IIRC, West Haven has had four or five students total (about 50%) pass the FYLEX (Baby Bar). Their overall passage rate is therefore probably not statistically significant (as if I had a clue what "statistically significant" means) BUT they are definitely teaching would be lawyers and showing early signs of success.

    West Haven hasn't been around long enough to have anyone attempt the California Bar exam.

    The guy that founded West Haven posted here a few times some months ago. You might do a search.
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  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Unless you want to be a California lawyer and are REALLY motivated (and a CalBar accredited program is just not doable), I'd tend to agree.
  5. jek2839

    jek2839 New Member

    nosborne48 wrote:
    IIRC, West Haven has had four or five students total (about 50%) pass the FYLEX (Baby Bar). Their overall passage rate is therefore probably not statistically significant (as if I had a clue what "statistically significant" means) BUT they are definitely teaching would be lawyers and showing early signs of success.

    Thanks for the quick response
  6. jek2839

    jek2839 New Member

    I found the old post from the owner of West Haven University


    Originally posted by Charles Frye on 02/11/2004
    I own an unaccredited school
    I am the owner of West Haven University in Utah and California. I wanted to give a different perspective than one normally posted here. I will start off by saying I can't wait to see our University listed in John Bear's book on accredited programs. It will be a milestone for me. I used his book many times as a reference enroute to earning my M Ed in Distance Education. The humor is great and I really loved the quotes. When I read the debates posted here between accredited and unaccredited schools I think of one of the quotes Dr. Bear put in his book and it reads something like this: "A log in the woods with John Hopkins on one end and me on the other is enough of a university for me" and I think the person saying it was President Garfield. The other one I like is where the President of Harvard or Yale said a person could get a "first class education with a shelf full of books five feet long." So the point I am making is that it is not where you go to school, it is what you do with your education.

    No school starts out accredited and if every prospective student followed most of your recommendations (or caveats) regarding attending a non accredited school, there would be no new accredited schools. Perhaps you do not know that you have to have classes ongoing in order to become accredited and you have to have students to have classes

    Recently a visitor to our website (www.westhavenuniv.edu) saw where we posted a 100% pass rate on the baby bar. He apparently has been checking out Bar website for years and noticed a discrepancy between what the Bar posted on their website and what we claimed. We were really disappointed to learn that we had been left off the list as we would have been the only school with a 100% pass rate. We were looking forward to the list being published. Granted we only had one test taker, yet that is consistent with small law schools. Actually four students wanted to take the Baby Bar and we decertified them because they failed to turn in assignments in a timely fashion. We do not fudge and pencil in missing data. A student is either qualified or not. There is nothing in between. You can rest assured that they will pay attention to assignment schedules in the next semester. BTW we do not charge students to retake the half year over that they lost.

    Anyway back to the subject. This guy ranted and raved because of the discrepancy between what the Bar reported and what we said. I told him to call a particular individual at the Bar to clear up the misunderstanding and gave him the number. She could easily confirm our claim. Unable to get through to her he asked another person who essentially stated that if there is a discrepancy it is the school’s responsibility to complain, not his. That wasn't good enough for him. He continually demanded to know why there was a discrepancy.

    The aggressiveness in this guy's demand for an explanation for something we could not provide told me there was something seriously wrong with him. I quit playing softball with him. I do not have to take abuse from people like him at all.

    The guy seemed obsessed. He did a search of Amazon.com and found that I am an author. He said the books did not list "Dr." and assumed, wrongly that I do not have an earned doctor degree. Actually the book's cover show I have a J.D. The tenor of his message was that I purchased my degree from a diploma mill.

    It is quite appropriate, as Dr. Bear mentioned previously in a response about our university in another thread, that individuals in educational institutions can use the title "Dr" even if the holder has a Juris Doctor degree. We do that exclusively at our school. We call instructors "Professor" if they have a doctor degree. We usually only use the term Dr. in written communication but occasionally do use the term verbally. We see nothing wrong with this practice. We call a nurse with a doctorate degree “Doctor” so why wouldn’t we do the same for lawyers with a Juris Doctor Degree? These are earned degrees.

    I had asked on many occasions to identify himself but he refused. I told him I would mail him a copy of my transcript if he gave me his address. Again he refused. As a side note, I graduated from one of the best Universities in the United States, and surely one of the oldest. I have four degrees and none were bought. That was not good enough for this guy. He again accused me of "buying" a degree and that he was going to expose me on a website or in book form or through some other means for refusing to give him information.

    Can you imagine being threatened by faceless person for no reason? Would you kneel to that person?

    He at some point wrote that he was doing a "research" project and writing a book on the benefits of attending an accredited vs. unaccredited school. I told him the subject had been beat to death but I did a project on the subject in fully accredited Masters in Education Degree Program. I invited him to sit down with me and I would go over the trials and tribulations of starting a university, especially a distance learning one. But he wasn't interested in that. He was on a mission and truth should never enter into it.

    I appreciate Dr. Bear's kind words about my school. He said we "looked legitimate" and everyone should wait and see how we do on the bar. To this, I can say we did great.

    This guy said that based on my responses to him, it seems like we were a diploma mill. A program leading to licensure as an attorney with mandated requirements for admission by definition is not a diploma mill.

    Also I do want to point out a few things:

    1. We offered law school free to any World War II veteran. We offered a $3,000 (I think it was $3000) to Korean War Veterans in honor of our Dean.

    2. We do not, under any circumstances, grant credit for life experience.

    3. We do not accept enrollment from people overseas.

    4. We require an accredited Bachelor's Degree for enrollment into the law program. (This is new and current). Too many people with Associate Degree or CLEP Test Takers are
    just not prepared for rigors of law school.

    5. Students have to submit work every week. They are briefing more cases than they ever would in a traditional law program.

    6. We discourage people from outside of California from enrolling in our program. We do not even engage in "what if's" as for as seeking licensure outside of California. We tell them up front that the program is for Californians and they have to sign a disclosure to that fact before enrolling.

    7. We require our nursing students to attend class, live online, every week. We have synchronous lectures. Students in our Master's programs must have an accredited Bachelor's Degree. We are commissioning a class starting in May to honor the Band of Angels, the WWII nurses captured in Corrigador.

    8. We only accept credit from an accredited college or university and foreign credit must be evaluated by a reputable evaluation service.

    9. We offer a payment program. They can enroll in law school for about $350 and make monthly payments. When they graduate they still owe about $7,000. Our program is $13,200. That's not too bad of a cost for a full law degree. If we were a diploma mill we would be fools to give credit.

    10. None of our staff or faculty members graduated from our own school and now magically they have doctors or masters or something like that. You have to have an accredited Master’s Degree to teach BS level courses and a Doctor Degree to teach master level courses.

    11. You cannot complete the degree program fast. It is not self-paced.

    As I mentioned earlier, accreditation does not automatically happen. You have to have financial resources, quality faculty, support personnel, support services, etc. It cost several million dollars to get up everything in place to be accredited and it doesn't happen overnight.

    There is a world difference between a diploma program and a school that is not seeking accreditation. And there is even more difference between the schools that are content with being unaccredited and those that want accreditation. We want, and will get, accreditation.

    I have seen post about law schools applying for DETC accreditation at this website. When I spoke to DETC a year or so ago, I was told you cannot have DETC accreditation if you offer a doctor degree program. I do not personally think DETC measures up to regional accreditation, from a student or other institution perspective. It is not recognized on the same level as Regional Accreditation. I am not taking anything away from DETC and it has a purpose, but it is not regional accreditation. Therefore we will not seek it. We do not get accreditation just to have something on our website.

    Anyway this is my take on this. I am quite offended by the conduct of this guy’s hunt, seek, and destroy mission. There is only so much I will tolerate. I am not going to allow someone to destroy my school. I have students in attendance who are depending on the good name of the school and I will not set idly back and allow some nameless person destroy it.

    I believe this forum is far a fair exchange of information, not for the purpose of bashing schools. Although we do not hire instructors who attended unaccredited schools, it does not mean that the schools are inferior. We are seeking accreditation and everything is looked at with microscopic eye.

    In closing I am convinced that the guy who has been harassing me is a member of your group here. I based that on the name, behavior, and other factors which I will not mention as it would identify him.

    Please remember no school starts out accredited.

    Comments appreciated.

    Charles M. Frye

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