I noticed that most of the discussions here are centered on TESC, Excelsior and seems like grads from these schools are doing really well getting into good graduate schools (DL and non-DL schools). Can anyone tell me about Univ of Phoenix's success rate and how many of their undergrads get into grad schools without the grad schools discrimating because of it being a "non-traditional" school. Thanks for the info.
There are several threads here on Degreeinfo - look for UoP, UOP, University of Phoenix. You can also go to the newsgroup, alt.distance.education, and see what has been written there. Prehaps you will find your answers. If not, then ask us again, by all means. jim
I doubt it matters. A nontraditional RA school is a nontraditional RA school. If you want to go to a competitive graduate school then you had better go to a competitive undergrad school. Anyone with a pulse and a checkbook can get into the UoP.
Worth mentioning, though, is that Regents/Excelsior College is equally non-selective -- and at one time I had one of their brochures listing their graduates as attending a number of Ivy League graduate schools. My philosophy: a really high GRE score and solid non-academic credentials can more than make up for a non-prestigious undergraduate degree. Of course, I don't have much in the way of empirical data to support this. Peace, ------------------ Tom Head co-author, Get Your IT Degree and Get Ahead (Osborne/McGraw-Hill)
I'm convinced that most things in life have a lot more to do with cunning and tenacity than credentials. That special "whatever it is" that makes successful people successful really can't be quantified on an IQ test or a diploma.
I received my BSBM at UoPhx, then went to San Jose State U for my MBA (where I made Beta Gamma Sigma), and am now in University of Sarasota's DBA program. So it is indeed possible to get into a good grad school with a UoPhx degree. Is a UoPhx MBA detrimental? No. I know several VPs that have UoPhx MBAs. I report to someone (a VP) that decided not to continue his MBA (he was in UoPhx). I currently teach at UoPhx, both undergrad and grad students. There is a mix between those that are in school to learn, and those that are in school for the paper. However, I suppose the work habits of one leak into the other. In that case, even a Stanford MBA won't help many folks. ------------------ ========================================== Humans are the only animals that protect their stupid from the forces of evolution. <A HREF="http://www.blahetka.com ===================================" TARGET=_blank>http://www.blahetka.com ===================================</A>
I think getting into a school and graduating are two different things. The non-resident RA schools like Excelsior, COSC, and TESC have a good track record at competitive schools. Excelsior has over 90,000 alumni. I know of alumni who have gone on to Columbia, Baylor, Syracuse, Georgetown, Auburn, UNC - Chapel Hill, Pepperdine, Brown, Harvard, Yale, and many others. John ------------------ John R. Wetsch, Ph.D. B.S. '84 Excelsior College (USNY/Regents) M.A. '89 Antioch University, The McGregor School Ph.D. '94 Nova Southeastern University
I think you are very right about that getting into a school and graduating are 2 entirely different things. One takes good GRE or whatever score if for a BA program and the other takes a lot of tenacity, discipline, dedication, hard work and perseverance. I think there's a lot of changes happening in the academic world. Schools are being forced to re-look at their admissions practices. The fact that schools are considering dropping the SAT is one example. I also think that the "special whatever it is" as one of you have mentioned is something that cannot ever be measured on paper. I have personally known of 2 people (from my former company) who've not finished college who are extremely succesful. One is a software engineer who's a Director of Engineering and earns way more than most MBAs do. The other is a VP who've held high positions in leading companies and he never went to college. I have also met Ph.Ds who just don't make a good pay check. I saw the segment on U of P on 60 minutes and sounds like it's offering a great deal to people. There's many people who've never had the chance to go to college for whatever reason and it's great that they now have a chance to go back to school without sacrificing their jobs. Afterall, the idea of college besides the education, is to get a job and if you already have that "end product", you shouldn't have to lose it.
