TUI once again

Two main observations:

1. Most of the UK DL DBAs are AACSB accredited (Henley, Aston, Grenoble, etc).
2. No USA DL DBAs/PHDs are AACSB accredited.

Conclusions:

1. Even though one lives In North America he/she should pursue a Great Britain DBA... I mean if you want to be in the first league. Terrible!

 

I think it is interesting that while NSU, University of Phoenix, Capella, Argosy, and UNISA are members of AACSB, none of them are accredited by AACSB.

What is the point of being a member of AACSB if your business degree programs are not AACSB accredited?


NSU:
http://www.aacsb.edu/members/Omd3/Profile_page.asp?id=856

UofP:
http://www.aacsb.edu/members/Omd3/Profile_page.asp?id=11028

Capella:
http://www.aacsb.edu/members/Omd3/Profile_page.asp?id=13244

Argosy:
http://www.aacsb.edu/members/Omd3/Profile_page.asp?id=18388

UNISA:
http://www.aacsb.edu/members/Omd3/Profile_page.asp?id=970

 

TUI is accredited by IACBE.
I it an additional asset???

 

I would think the reason there are no North American AACSB DL DBA/PHD program is because the North American schools do not want them. Thus if you have a foreign AACSB DL degree you will be at the bottom of the first league pool. Add the American preference for RA schools and you are really at the bottom.

I wonder if there is any resentment by the US schools that a US student outsources his\her tuition to a foreign school vs attending a US one then want to teach at a US school?

Just my opinion

 

Thus, all DL American Schools are at the bottom. It means a mediocre career...

Are we all mediocre???

Or we should start learning for GMAT - to get 750 - and applying for, let's say, Purdue????

 

Perhaps these schools enjoy the best of both worlds. They have access to AACSB data to use in developing their programs. But since they are not bound by the accrediting process they can pick and choose as they please. I was told by a NSU MBA student that NSU follows many of the AACSB accrediting requirements already.

The Dean of the school can be his own man and make changes as he see fit.

Just my opinion

 

I think there are two reasons for a school to be members and not accredited.

1. A school is going through the process of becoming accredited, and you must be a member first.

2. A school wants to be able to be a part of the events, network, and have insight to all of the information from the agency.

I think all you listed are #2, not because they don't wish to be accredited (as they pay their fees to be members), but more that I don't think AACSB will allow it just yet. I think AACSB will get there eventually, but not yet (changes take forever).

 

You're probably right, no DL business doctorates from major AACSBs in the U.S. any time soon, and yes, it's true, standard PhD programs are usually not a big $$$ maker with the scholarships/assistanships/fellowships they offer, and I'm sure many do offer the degree primarily for the prestige.

But still, why wouldn't a U.S. school wouldn't want to make a little $$$ off a PhD program? Those $$$ would be there to be had with DL. It's not like it isn't being done in other disciplines. And it's not like offering a DL PhD will be a major hit on the prestige of the school. if that's their argument, they better head up to Palo Alto and take a look at Stanford--they offer a DL PhD in Engineering. And they're not alone--Purdue and Nebraska offer DL Education Doctorates. Those schools are very prestigious (Stanford and Purdue are up in the stratosphere, Nebraska's rock-solid) and it's sophistry for administrators and profs to say that their almighty school will take some kind of reputation hit (how many schools outrank Stanford, really?). It's silly for them to say "Well, we can't do any such DL program, our requirements are so stringent, far beyond what a DL student can handle, impossible, they need to be right here in the department with us doing their research, etc. etc." Again, I'll circle back, tell that to Stanford; ya think maybe their PhD program in ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING is just a tad stringent and challenging? I just think that at bottom the resistence to Business DL PhDs and others at major universities is more about old school administrators who are frankly ignorant and afraid of DL.

 

I think that TUI is a decent option and although it is not AACSB accredited, there are plenty of schools that won't require faculty that graduated from AACSB accredited schools.

TUI, Capella, NCU or any Internet US school would be considered at the bottom but they are accredited and can give you that check mark in your resume that you need to satisfy the minimum requirements for a faculty position.

If you are looking for ivey league schools offering flexible formats, UK universities seem to be a good option. Manchester, Henley and Glasgow offer DBA programs using DL components.

However; bear in mind that DBAs offered in the UK are not meant to prepare academics but practicioners. Although a DBA is acceptable for faculty positions in the US, UK universities normally require a PhD for academic positions.


The other issue is that most of the UK or Australian PhD programs require a M.Phil as an entry requirement and MBAs are normally only allowed into DBA programs. This could be a problem if you hold a MBA since basically you will be required to complete another master's.

 

Don't think so. American DL schools target a very specific market, they are best suited for the established middle aged professional that doesn't require a big name in his resume but more of a check mark to go to the next level. If you are below 35 and are looking for a name university to boost your resume, DL schools are not the way to go. They are meant for that non tenure faculty member that has been teaching for many years and is looking for a tenure track or for that professional with 25 years of experience looking to make a move into academia.

 

Of course, DL schools target different segments.
However is it appropriate that the same academic title to be perceived different???

In the mean time I have spoken with one of my MBA faculty. He has told me that DL diplomas are far to be regarded as an academic title. Accordingly, there are few chances to enter academia.

However I think that if one DL PhD student performs excellent during the program and succeds to create a "brilliant" dissertation then he/she will be accepted by any of the B&M universities.

 

Brilliant Dissertation?

It is unlikely anyone will ever read your dissertation and no one will know if you were excellent during your program. They will look at your CV if you apply for a position and make their initial cut from that. Concentrate on getting a decent amount of publishing (which is usually based on your dissertation initially) to put on your CV. Otherwise, they will file 13 it almost immediately.

 

I agree with you, but with a caveat: for one, an under-35 MIGHT benefit from a DL MBA from a prestige school like Duke-Fuqua, Emory-Goizueta, Indiana-Kelley, Purdue-Krannert, or (maybe) Arizona State-Carey, Florida-Warrington, Syracuse-Whitman, UMass-Isenberg.

But if a young candidate with a nowhere job is considering pursuing a DL MBA at, say, Arkansas-Little Rock or Cameron or Georgia Southern or some other school without national recognition or ranking, in hopes that the MBA designation is going to facilitate a career change and open up several management doors to them, I'd say they'd be better off biting the bullet, taking out the student loans, and going full time on campus at a solid school. If their career doesn't allow it, then they'd be better off getting double-digit years of experience before seeking that DL MBA.

As you say, DL MBAs are primarily a CV boost for middle-aged guys and gals who are known quantities and have a track record. If I were in a hiring position, I'd look VERY unfavorably upon a resume from a 27 yr old guy seeking a management position with my firm who had only entry-level work experience supplemented by a non-prestige DL MBA. I'd ask him "Why didn't you just go to B-school?" If he answered "financial reasons", I'd say "Nonsense, I put myself $30K in debt to finish traditional B&M grad school back in my twenties, there's no reason why you couldn't have taken your grad education as seriously as I did". I'd show him the door for thinking he could come in and manage my people with no more than some middling DL MBA and no hard-knocks that only come through years of experience.

On the other hand, if I were interviewing a 37 year old guy with 10-15 yrs overall experience plus 5 yrs experience in management who worked his way through a solid (read: B&M, NOT for-profit) DL MBA program evenings and weekends while working his day job in management, I'd think I had one whale of a driver on my hands, the kind of guy I'd like to hire.

 

Might?? Of course it would benefit the student! With an MBA from any of Duke, Purdue, Emory or Penn. you can apply for positions that only hire MBA grads from the top 20 schools in the country.
And the fact that it is DL might even give you an edge, since this makes can even more unique. Now top companies are recognizing the value of DL degrees and are aware of the self-discipline and dedication that is needed to complete them. In fact, past research has shown that dl students from RA schools tend to be more self-reliable and disciplined that students from B&M schools. This is not to say that they will prefer DL over BM, but in this case DL might make you stand out even further, and with a great name behind it you can't go wrong here. Just a thought.

Maybe, but honestly, I don't know how many of these you are really going to find. Why do DL when there are so many bottom of the barrell, open admissions B&M MBAs? Examples are FMU, UoP, Argosy and Nova just to name a few. HOnestly, If I were lazy, I would find it harder to complete an MBA by DL through these schools than doing residency. Lets not foget that there are many people whore are just not that computer literate and might find DL intimidating. This is something that we take for granted. And lazy students who do apply for DL, for the most part, tend to drop fast from these programs(hence, the high DL attrition rate) . Also, as I said, in DL you are no longer taken by the hand; you have to find your self-motivation to complete the degree on your own.

 

Re: Brilliant Dissertation?

I also find that they tend to judge your resume based on the schools that you have taught. If your PhD is from TUI but you have a record of teaching at good schools, you will be still considered regardless of the no name PhD. I think that the bottom line is that a 25 year old guy shouldn't think that a TUI PhD will help him to land a teaching position and a more traditional B&M PhD would be a better option since this type of programs normally include teaching assignments that can help the student to gain some teaching experience.

DL PhDs in my opinion are not for wanna bes but for people already in academia looking for a way to fill the PhD blank in their resume.

 

Forget AACSB. What's TUI's status with WASC?

Doesn't anyone else believe it borders on unethical conduct not to mention this Middle States/WASC issue on their website?

 

What do you mean exactly in respect of "unethical conduct"?

 

Touro has dual program with a full AACSB School:

-Joint C.W. Post/Touro Law Center program (J.D/MBA)

 

In a word, yes. But I should warn you, those that have said this have been personally attacked when simply asking this question.... so be careful with what you say (I found out the hard way).

 

I thought this was out of the Touro college, not the child college TUI. Can you provide a link???