Trump made over 30,000 false/misleading claims, almost half in last year

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

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    Trump averaged about six claims a day in his first year as president, 16 claims day in his second year, 22 claims day in this third year — and 39 claims a day in his final year.

    Here's the interface to the Trump false and misleading claims database. Multiple different kinds of ways to view it. Also included in the database are the facts debunking the false and misleading claims.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_11

    What was unique about Trump in this regard was that Trump repeated most of his false misleading claims many many times. Previous Presidents, of course, sometimes made false or misleading statements. They just didn't repeat them so many times nor told anywhere near the volume.
     
  2. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    As maarsh said "90% of Trumps claims are misinterpreted, misunderstood and twisted by liberals. They hear what they want to hear not what he means."
     
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Look at database of over 30,000 false misleading statements and explain how this was misunderstood.

    Here's four randomly selected items from the database. Since you claim 9 out of ten are really true then you can just demonstrate how these four were misunderstood.
    __________
    “Our opponents want open borders, open borders.”

    FACT CHECK:
    Trump is fear mongering here. Democrats generally do not advocate for illegal immigration, and have repeatedly put forth immigration bills that both include a DACA solution and new border security measures. Sometimes Trump even claims Democrats "don't mind crime." Plus, as we've previously reported, most independent research contradicts the idea that illegal immigrants bring more crime.

    REPEATED 204 TIMES:
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    “I WON THE ELECTION IN A LANDSLIDE, but remember, I only think in terms of legal votes, not all of the fake voters and fraud that miraculously floated in from everywhere! What a disgrace!”

    This tweet was flagged by Twitter as misleading.

    FACT CHECK:
    Not only did Trump lose the electoral college by 306-232 — a result that in 2016 he called a “landslide” — but he lost the popular vote by more than 7 million.

    REPEATED 14 TIMES:
    ________

    “Our beautiful vets, they were very badly treated before we came along. And, as you know, we get them great service and we pick up the bill, and they can go out and they can see a doctor if they have to wait long periods of time.”

    FACT CHECK:
    Trump does not mention "VA Choice" but he is referring to the Veterans Access, Choice and Accountability Act that was signed by President Barack Obama in 2014, in the wake of the Phoenix VA scandal. The law allows veterans to seek private medical care, with costs covered, in cases where VA wait times exceed a certain period. One of the lead authors was the late Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). This is one of Trump’s most insidious falsehoods. Not only did he take more and more credit for the 2014 law as his term progressed, in public remarks, he would often erase the roles that Obama and McCain played. (“McCain didn't get the job done for our great vets and the VA, and they knew it,” he said in 2019.) Trump signed the Mission Act in 2018, an update and expansion of the Choice program.

    REPEATED 217 TIMES:

    __________

    “We also got tax cuts, the largest tax cut and reform in the history of our country, by far.”

    FACT CHECK:
    This is Trump’s second favorite falsehood, and his remarks at his departure ceremony at Andrews Air Force base marks the 296th time he said it. Even before Trump’s tax cut was crafted, he promised it would be the biggest in U.S. history – bigger than Ronald Reagan’s 1981 tax cut. Reagan’s tax cut amounted to 2.9 percent of the gross domestic product and none of the proposals under consideration came close to that level. Yet Trump persisted in this fiction even when the tax cut was eventually crafted to be the equivalent of 0.9 percent of GDP, making it the eighth largest tax cut in 100 years.

    REPEATED 296 TIMES:
    ____________
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    How unbiased are fact cheeks ?
    Twitter to many on the right appeared highly biased during the 2020.
    Republicans including Donald Trump have raged against Twitter and Facebook in 2020, alleging anti-conservative bias, censorship and a silencing of free speech.
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2021
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Since they are all pretty obviously false or misleading? I guess that means that I just happened to pick 4 items that fall into your asserted only 10% of the clams were really false or misleading?

    Let's pick some more. Here are one's that helped foster the "Big Lie" of his administration.

    _____________________
    DEC 05 2020
    “I WON THE ELECTION, BIG”

    This tweet was flagged by Twitter as misleading.

    Repeated 17 times:
    Dec 25 2020,Dec 24 2020,Dec 18 2020,Dec 17 2020,Dec 14 2020,Dec 12 2020,Dec 09 2020,Dec 05 2020,Dec 05 2020,Nov 30 2020,Nov 29 2020,Nov 29 2020,Nov 21 2020,Nov 17 2020,Nov 15 2020,Nov 14 2020,Nov 06 2020
    Topic: Election

    Source: Twitter

    Trump lost the election. Joe Biden won enough states to claim 306 electoral votes to Trump’s 232. Trump said he was fighting in the courts to reverse the result, but his claims keep getting rejected by judges after they reviewed the evidence.
    ___________________________________

    NOV 17 2020
    “I WON THE ELECTION. VOTER FRAUD ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.”

    This tweet was flagged by Twitter as misleading.

    Repeated 17 times:
    Dec 25 2020,Dec 24 2020,Dec 18 2020,Dec 17 2020,Dec 14 2020,Dec 12 2020,Dec 09 2020,Dec 05 2020,Dec 05 2020,Nov 30 2020,Nov 29 2020,Nov 29 2020,Nov 21 2020,Nov 17 2020,Nov 15 2020,Nov 14 2020,Nov 06 2020
    Topic: Election

    Source: Twitter

    Trump lost the election. Joe Biden won enough states to claim 306 electoral votes to Trump’s 232. Trump said he was fighting in the courts to reverse the result, but his claims keep getting rejected by judges after they reviewed the evidence.
    ______________________
    CT 26 2018
    “Did you see the women vote? I think I won the election because of the women, not the men.”

    Repeated 20 times:
    Oct 27 2020,Oct 25 2020,Oct 18 2020,Oct 13 2020,Oct 12 2020,Jun 25 2019,Mar 27 2019,Nov 01 2018,Nov 01 2018,Oct 26 2018,Oct 19 2018,Oct 17 2018,Oct 12 2018,Oct 09 2018,Sep 25 2018,Aug 23 2018,Aug 03 2018,Aug 01 2018,Jul 25 2018,Mar 09 2018
    Topic: Election

    Source: Campaign rally

    Trump is citing the exit-poll results only for white women, in which he got 52 percent. But for all women, exits polls show he received only 41 percent. Clinton received the votes of 54 percent of all women.
    ____________
    Here's a fun one from the 2016 election.

    APR 12 2019
    “When I won the Election in 2016, the @nytimes had to beg their fleeing subscribers for forgiveness in that they covered the Election (and me) so badly. They didn't have a clue, it was pathetic. They even apologized to me.”

    Repeated 39 times


    The New York Times did not apologize to its subscribers -- or to Trump -- for its coverage of Trump.
    ___________________
    JAN 03 2021
    “There is no way we lost Georgia. There's no way. A rigged -- That was a rigged election but we're still fighting it.”

    Repeated 76 times

    The 2020 presidential election was not rigged or stolen -- and not a hoax. Biden won a solid victory in the Electoral College, 306-232, and won a majority of the popular vote, beating Trump by more than 7 million votes. Trump and his allies filed dozens of lawsuits in six swing states, but virtually all were rejected for lack of evidence or standing, often by judges appointed by Trump. Biden’s margin of victory in many key states was significantly higher than Trump’s margin four years earlier. For instance, Biden won Michigan by more than 150,000 votes, compared with Trump’s margin of about 11,000 in 2016. Attorney General William Barr said there was no evidence of widespread fraud in the election. For months leading up to the election, Trump kept falsely claiming that the only way he could lose was if the election was rigged -- making his loss a self-fulfilling prophecy.
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Then they don't know what either "censorship" or "free speech" means. The right to free speech does not include an entitlement to your choice of venue.
     

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