Trump declassifies FISA documents! Rod Rosenstein says no way?

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  1. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

  2. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Message from Q:

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  3. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    After FBI Director James Comey was fired:
    • Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein discussed wearing a "wire" to record conversations with President Trump and
    • Rosenstein discussed recruiting Cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office.
    That kind of politicking is not the Constitutional job of Rosenstein because he is strictly a political appointee and Rosenstein's actions are circumventing the will of the people. His actions are traitorous towards the elected President of the United States. It's time to publicly drain the swamp. o_O

    Twitter source:
    https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1043206110105231361

    NYT story:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/us/politics/rod-rosenstein-wear-wire-25th-amendment.html
     
  4. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Meanwhile, Mueller keeps chipping away! BWAHAAAAAAAAA
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Incidentally, Mueller investigation just recouped a big chunk of taxpayer's money it spent - by using civil forfeiture on Manafort's condo in Trump Tower, as well as some other assets. 22 million.
    I wonder what is current worth of the Trump Organization, and how many prosecutors can THAT kind of dough support? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
     
  6. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Mueller has more than paid for his investigation. It can no longer be said the taxpayer is footing the bill. He has actually turned a huge profit to boot!

    BWAHAAAAA! Nothing can stop Mueller now. They can fire Rosenstein, and it still won't make a difference. He will not be stopped. Go team Mueller.
     
  7. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    Yes, Mueller, get the Podestas, get Greg Craig, get Glenn Simpson...
     
  8. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Yeah Mueller, get them as well! Get all of them all the way to the very top!
     
  9. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    At the top of that heap is Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton.
     
  10. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Obama and Clinton are of no import now that they are out of office. The buck will eventually stop at Trump via Manafort. Give Mueller time, he is damn good at what he does.
     
  11. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    What he does is extort confessions.
     
  12. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't call it that, but I will say he is damn good at what he does. He is slowly inching is way up the latter, until the day he gets to question Trump himself, the king pin.
     
  13. decimon

    decimon Well-Known Member

    The king pin of what?
     
  14. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    We will find out soon enough.
    Stay tuned and you will find out eventually. Patience is the key.
     
  15. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Or at least so says the New York Times. All based on anonymous sources.

    Rumors are that the 'source' is Andrew McCabe. McCabe is under criminal investigation himself, isn't happy, and may (so the rumor goes) be trying to take down Rosenstein along with him.

    Rosenstein strongly denies that he said these things.

    So before I'm ready to crucify Rosenstein, I want to know who the 'source' was, how that individual had access to things said in a private meeting, along with more information on what the 'source's' own motives are in talking to the Times. I sense Byzantine maneuvering, plots within plots. Some directed against Trump, some directed against agency enemies and rivals. Stab-em in the back DOJ company politics writ large, on a national scale.

    We all know the Times motives for publishing it without providing all of the necessary accompanying information. They're simply shit-stirring. (About all that so-called "journalism" is good for these days.)

    If he really did say it, and if it wasn't said in an ironic "Yeah, right..." tone, Rosenstein should be fired and replaced.

    Bottom line: We all know that Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch militantly politicized the DOJ (at least at its top executive levels), at the behest of their evil Oval Office master BHO. Trump is "draining the swamp" and battling the "Deep State". That's what he was elected to do. (And that's what he must do if American democracy has any hope of surviving for more than a few more years.) That's why the permanent "Deep State" is fighting so violently now. The swamp doesn't appreciate being drained and its many unsavory creatures fight back with whatever weapons they have at hand. It's to be expected. The more frenzied it is, the more threatened they must feel.

    So I'm not sure that all of this is a bad thing.
     
  16. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Heirophant, that's a good investigative observation.

    The declassification of FISA may lead to:
    • Rosenstein's self-incrimination. For example, Rosenstein signed-off on the illegal FISA warrants, so he should have subsequently recused himself from investigating himself. And now he is in charge of declassifying FISA, which will publicly incriminate him.
    • Rosenstein is a signer of the illegal FISA warrants, so he had no legal authority to investigate the illegality of FISA -- because he authored the illegal warrants! If FISA is declassified and released to the public, then all will see it.
    • The DNC is desperately trying to stop the declassification of FISA because it will cause a Red Tsunami, once the public sees the DNC corruption.
    • "Five Eyes" also provided information for the FISA warrants through unauthorized back channels. That is illegal because it's all supposed to be through authorized "documented" channels (only!!!). Specifically, that will hurt two members of Five Eyes (e.g. the United Kingdom and Australia). All of the five eyes signers are now under criminal investigation by United States investigators.
     
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2018
  17. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    It looks like Rosenstein is on his way out. He offered to resign, but it's not quite known what is happening yet. Sad. He's one of the few Republicans left who haven't given in to the cult or been blackmailed by Russia.
     
  18. heirophant

    heirophant Well-Known Member

    Reportedly last Friday Trump delayed declassification of the documents that he ordered declassified. Instead he ordered that all of the documents be reviewed and sensitive information be redacted. I personally think that's a mistake and that Trump should declassify the whole fucking thing immediately, come what may.

    The DOJ had been shrieking its familiar scream: "sources and methods! sources and methods!" Which in real life, translates to "delete anything that might embarass us". But what apparently pushed Trump to back off were pleas from two close American allies.

    One of them was almost certainly the United Kingdom. The UK (run by a permanent Oxbridge class of Whitehall snakes themselves) seem to have had their fingerprints all over the anti-Trump efforts, both before and after the election. Former SIS/Mi-6 spy Christopher Steele, obviously, who seems to have served as a 'plausible deniability' cut-out between Hillary Clinton's campaign and Russian providers of dirt on Trump. (That's the only Russian collusion that's actually been documented so far, after two years of trying.) And Stephen Halper, a university professor in the UK who is reportedly close friends with a former SIS/Mi-6 Director who out-of-the-blue tried to befriend Papadopoulos and then pump him about Russians. There are questions as well about the Maltese academic Mifsud who reportedly told Papadopoulos that the Russians had all the files from Hillary's server (likely true, given her cavalier treatment of classified information). Who was he working for, the British perhaps? (He's since disappeared, reportedly.)

    The other allied nation might well be Australia. Their intelligence agencies work closely with the British and it was an Australian diplomat who reported to the FBI that Papadopoulos had told him that he'd been told that the Russians had Hillary's files. But why would he report that to the FBI? Wouldn't he report it to the intelligence desk at the Australian foreign ministry? Something smells a little off there too.

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/09/23/british-trump-declassify-russia/

    Regarding "Five eyes", it's a common practice for the American NSA, forbidden by law from surveiling Americans, to request allied communications intelligence agencies such as Britain's hugely capable GCHQ who have no legal impediments in the United States, to do it for them. Just as the Canadian spooks often ask the US NSA to intercept Canadians' communications. They all function as one giant network so as to circumvent the domestic privacy laws of each country. So... if Trump's communications were indeed being intercepted prior to or after the election, it very likely was the British doing it. That wouldn't surprise me in the least. And London probably desperately wants to keep their role in surveiling Americans under wraps, especially when the British are in the middle of a nasty divorce with the EU. Having a big international incident with the US is just what they don't need at the moment.
     
  19. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Yep, this is well-reasoned and not deranged at all.

    Every cult is the same, Scientology, Branch of David, QAnon, Putinism, Trumpism. Sooner or later, adherent starts losing his/her critical faculties.
     
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  20. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Release the whole thing? Now Trump supporters want to compromise national security.
     

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