Top House Democrats evacuated from DNC headquarters due to pro Palestinian protesters Insurrection

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  1. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes - Trump promised ALL of that. It's so bizarre (and wicked) I had to verify it. Yet there are a great number of people who say they LIKE this man??? What kind of people could say and mean that! I'm gone from this thread - It's turned into something too damn horrible - even for DI.
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Assuming you meant "opinion", then I couldn't disagree more. I've heard women's opinions about men, the opinions of people of color about white people, and the like my whole life, and that's fine. It may be the case that everyone's opinion is not equally well informed, and it's certainly the case that no one is obligated to listen to anyone else, but that doesn't disentitle anyone to their opinion about anything.

    If by that you mean that you personally have to overcome skepticism that's based on a lifetime of hearing opinions about ADOS that are made by those who bear them ill will, then I can understand that. But that's not what's happening here.
  3. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Come election season, I care very much what any people eligible to vote think and do. I really don't want to go back to Canada if Trump gets back to WH.
    I know an AA guy and a Black immigrant, both FSU alums and Democrats. You have a point, these communities are not the same. I also just had a falling out with a long-time friend, son of Afro-Carribean immigrants who is inexplicably an Obama-Trump voter. I don't think he wants to be identified as Black, let alone an AA. But he's wrong about many things. Tried to teach me about the Ukrainian war, based on some piece of bs he half-heard on Russia Today.
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  4. INTJ

    INTJ Member

    If you're also referring to me, let me better explain what I meant. First, I don't like Trump the man. I meant that as president I liked his contrarian attitude, especially when it went against the GOP. There were times when he made statements that were in line with the Republican Party, but when it came time to act he went his own way, which benefitted a lot of Americans. I can only guess that as president (vs candidate) he had access to more information and that made him change his mind about some things. Whatever it was, he constantly frustrated the GOP and that was golden. That's what I liked, not him.
  5. INTJ

    INTJ Member

    I didn't say non-AA people couldn't have opinions about things AA do. What I meant is that they should not share them with us and, if they do, they should not expect us to act on them. Many white people have a paternalistic mindset when it comes to AA and what we think/do. They have a tendency to think they know more about the AA community than the AA community, and they talk to us as if we aren't able to determine what's best for us, ourselves. This is why I'm skeptical and, yes, it's based on a lifetime of hearing opinions about AA by non-AA people, especially white people. And that's regardless of whether they bear us ill will or not. We're going to do what we're going to do. For us, by us (FUBU).

    This is a paradigm shift; we're becoming more insular and focusing on what we think is good for us, without the input or influence of people that are not a part of our community. Our Silent Generation and Baby Boomer generation elders had good intentions but they royally screwed us up.

    And, yes, I know that nobody here means me, or the ADOS community, any ill will. If my prior post gave that impression I apologize.
  6. INTJ

    INTJ Member

    I'm sorry, Stanislav, but you might have to go back to Canada because if the election were held today, and the nominees were Biden and Trump, a significant number of AA would be abstaining from voting. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.

    But, don't worry. You won't be alone in leaving. More and more AA are leaving the US, regardless of who's president. Already, over a million of us have become expats and more are leaving or planning to leave as soon as possible.
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The only opinion I'll share here is that the relentless use of "we" and "us" as if you speak for all 47 million African-Americans is, to put it very mildly, unconvincing.
  8. INTJ

    INTJ Member

    Let me make it clear that I'm not trying to convince anyone. And I don't know why you think I seek or need anyone here to believe me. I'm just sharing a different POV. It's different, but it's valid. Other people being convinced or not doesn't change anything.

    Anyway, it's common in my community for us to use "we" and "us" when we're speaking about the whole community in general, especially among ourselves. My ethnic group is connected like that, and I can see how I've been communicating on here like I'm among my own and I won't make that mistake again. I'll make sure, from now on, to say that I'm basing what I say on what I have seen/noticed the conversations (and sentiments) that the AA community are talking about the most. We have our ways of communicating with each other. So, no, while I can't specifically speak for all of us, I can speak to what the general consensus is in the community because I'm plugged into it.

    Lastly, as an aside, many AA think that there are more than 47 million of us and that we're deliberately being undercounted. I don't know. I'm just sharing what the talk is among most of the community.

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