Time bomb from 1957: L. Ron Hubbard's fake degrees

Time Bombs

Some academic time bombs dont explode > (David Geffens claim to be a UCLA Grad ) Some do . I am not a fan of L. Ron Hubbard ,Jesse Jackson or Michael Lerner . I have identified myself as a conservative Rebublican so my bias is known to the group by now I am not saying everything these individuals did was wrong (only99.9999%) just questioning the honesty of the academic claims they make rest assured if a hi profile conservative claimed a degree he/she wasnt entitled some people here would (correctly) call them on it.

 

Priesthoods

Interesting part about the titled of "Reverend" is I know members of "Racialist Christian Identity" and even "Satanist" churches who have their own "ordained" priests and use that title.

 

BLD: One question: Have you read the book? If so, what information is incorrect? If not, I don't think you can make a credible comment about it one way or the other.

JBB: (a) I never ever said anything in this book is incorrect. (b) I spent about an hour and a half with it in the library this afternoon. (c) It seems pretty clear Rev. Jackson is not a saint. (d) If Mr. Timmerman accepts the Bible as inerrant, then we truly have a sinless stonecaster among us. (e) I read a lot of books published by Regnery while I was working on my dissertation* in an effort to learn more about why arch conservatives complain very differently from arch liberals. 30 years later, Regnery still has my vote as the most annoying publisher out there. Annoying to me, that is.

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* The heart of it was an analysis of thousands of complaint letters written to Xerox Corporation by pro and anti UN people, followed by interviews with and testing of hundreds of them.

 

significant amount of adult "learning"

The original post was about L. Ron and his "fake" degrees. Scientology is associated with a significant amout of adult education/religious activities.
The credentials all seem to come from within the "church" and seem somewhat "secreative" to the outside world.
In the general members of scientology seem to distrust many widely accepted institutions. For example, Kristie Alley stated she would not appear on the show Fraiser because she and her church do not believe in psychology.
It is curious that if L.Ron and scientology don't believe in "mainline" education institutions, that they would need to cite fake credentials for L.Ron.
I have been told (but don't know) that EST was a spinoff of scientology that made a great deal of money.
Are the numbers of people associated with scientology increasing or decreasing?
Scientology seems to be making a big effort to go mainstream. They have materials to "teach reading". I have been told if the publication has a volcano and a dinosaur on it, then it came from scientology.
What rules/laws does education which is "religious" in nature need to follow to be credentialed?

 

Just a point of clarification in regard to Rev. Jackson's ordination. It is not true that his ordination is not "recognized" by other religious organizations. Jackson could not conduct, for example, a Roman catholic Mass--but then neither could any person not so ordained as a Catholic priest. Jackson has preached in countless Protestant churches, and would be at lest "recognized" though perhaps not embraced as a ordained minister by virtually every Baptist church on Earth. Baptists are ordained under authority not of any denominational apparatus, but completely under the authoritry of the local church. Baptist church polity is congregational, which means essentially that each local church controls its own affairs, including calling and ordaining its own ministers. Southern Baptists, Independent Baptists, all are congregationally ordained. This, like believer's baptism, and regenerate church membership, is one of several so-called distinctives of Baptist faith and practice. Many Baptists however are very uncomfortable with the title Reverand, prefering Pastor or Preacher. The idea here is that human beings are not particularly reverent by nature and simple ordination--not a sacrament or even ordinance in Baptist theology--certainly does not elevate one above the congregation--the priesthood of all believers is another central distinctive. So JJ is an authentic, local church called and ordained, denominationally recognized, theoretically gospel proclaiming, Bible toting Baptist preacher. That he may fall short of certain of these ideals is between he and God, not between he and a denominational authority. His whole ministry is sponsored by some Chicago area Baptist church--I don't remember which one.

Craig

 

Another Scientology (honorary) degree item:

The Rev. Heber C. Jentzsch, President of the Church of Scientology International, states that "In 1986, he received an honorary doctorate from St. Martin’s College and Seminary in recognition of his work to end drug abuse among young people and for his ongoing fight to expose psychiatric abuses against minorities."

SMC&S is not to be found online. No connection to Saint Martin’s College in Washington state.


http://www.scientology.org/p_jpg/scnnews/jentzsch.htm
http://www.skeptictank.org/gen1/gen00305.htm

 

Does this mean JJ theoretically prolaims the gospel, or that he proclaims a theoretical gospel?

Just curious!

 

Both: In theory he proclaims the gospel, and some might suggest the gospel he proclaims is only theoretically one.

At any rate whenever JJ is in the news, that's good news

That was a painfully bad joke

 

scientology appears to have much money

Scientolgy did make a big move to attract converts through working with prison populations around drug addiction and reading. It is ironic since many scientologists believe that smoking is good (since L.Ron was a smoker). The negative side is that they preach the route to becoming drug "clear" is through scientology.
There appear to be many organizations which arise with scientology connections. Some stick around, some disappear. As a church, scientology has quite a bit of money to fund things. They also seem to get a high proportion of members income.
When some people talk about using federal funds for religion sponsored programs that means federal and state dollars could fund organizations like scientology to offer their religion/science fiction based anti-most drug and reading programs.
Don't the scientologists believe that ancient alien nuclear blasts are what killed the dinosaurs?
All the best!

 

Jim Jones was called 'Reverend' by his followers.

 

Gus Sainz just directed me here, saying, "Let us not forget that 'Dr.' Hubbard does indeed have a connection to degree mills, as previously discussed in this thread."

The URL no longer works. I am vaguely aware that Sequoia University was a one-man school that was shut down; but perhaps, since Gus's memory is so good, he could summarize any further info that was here?

The only connexion I can find beween L. Ron Hubbard and the BPPVE is a statement that "Hubbard College of Administration International is approved by the Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education."

 

Googleheads searching for a connexion between Sequoia University and the Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education are certain to come up empty, as the “school” was closed by court order in 1984, or 15 years before the BPPVE came into existence. In fact, even a search using the Council for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education (BPPVE’s predecessor) as a parameter should not yield any results as the CPPVE did not come into being until 1989. Dr. Bear’s reference to the BPPVE was solely due to the fact that Pam Martin was the one who directed him to the Web site with the information on L. Ron Hubbard’s bogus degrees.

Dr. Joseph Hough, a chiropractor and naturopath in private practice in Los Angeles, ran Sequoia University, which was originally called the College of Drugless Healing (it also might have been called the College of Instant Learning). It operated out of a post office box, but was really run from Dr. Hough’s downtown Los Angels home, which also housed his practice. Dr. Hough awarded degrees on whoever he thought deserved them and had the ability to pay (there was no need for classroom attendance or exams). In February of 1953, L. Ron Hubbard was awarded a Ph.D. from Sequoia University, and from then until 1966, he claimed the credential as earned and legitimate. Supposedly, he didn't pay for the degree—it was an Honorary Degree granted for his work in Dianetics. Later, Hubbard would also append a D.D. and a D.Scn. (yes, D.Scn.—Doctor of Scientology) to his name, both of which were from mysterious sources.

In 1966, in a public notice, L. Ron Hubbard renounced his Ph.D. because of the “damage being done in our society with nuclear physics and psychiatry by persons calling themselves ‘Doctors.’” The very few media outlets that took notice observed that it wasn’t a very big deal because the degree was bogus anyway.

 

If we are going to remember L. Ron Hubbard, then we probably should remember his old Pasadena landlord, the Cal Tech rocket scientist Jack Parsons. Besides being one of the founders of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Parsons joined Hubbard in various adventures, including an attempt to open a dimensional portal through which they hoped to attract a Kali-like sex-goddess. (Hey, it was science!)

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4975

"I hight Don Quixote, I live on peyote,
marijuana, morphine and cocaine,
I never know sadness, but only a madness
that burns at the heart and the brain.
I see each charwoman, ecstatic, inhuman,
angelic, demonic, divine.
Each wagon a dragon, each beer mug a flagon
that brims with ambrosial wine."

-John Whiteside ("Jack") Parsons (1943)

 

Bill:

You mock what you do not understand. The Babalon Working project succeeded. I know this because I dated her in the early seventies in Berkeley. At least, I think it was her.

P.S. You forgot to mention that L. Ron Hubbard ran off with Parson's wife and money.